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Adding wild flower bed

Posted on 5/14/23 at 8:23 pm
Posted by bobdylan
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Posted on 5/14/23 at 8:23 pm
To not hijack the spring garden thread any more, I’m looking for advice on this topic.

My original plan was to put cardboard, compost and mulch over our grass (st. aug) to add on to an existing bed.

However if i want to add wild flowers from seed and they need to germinate, I’m wondering if that is the best approach? I’ve done this with success but never with seeds.

Perhaps cutting or tilling the sod would be better and hold off on mulch until they germinate?

For those that have filled up st. aug, did this method work well?

Lastly, it seems planting in the fall is best, should I hold off? I’m in Lafayette parish.

Posted by TigerCael
Member since Jul 2019
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Posted on 5/14/23 at 9:47 pm to
Most wildflower seeds need to be cold-stratified before they will germinate. Also, in general, wildflower seeds don't do well pushing up through mulch. They have weak stems and can't push it out of the way.

The cardboard, compost,and mulch on top of your grass is a good starting point. I've done it a few times in my yard and been very successful with it. Double up on the cardboard and make sure you got all the tape off, lay the compost down thick, mulch it, and then go buy some cheap annuals from Home Depot for immediate color.

Buy a seed packet for your area from nativeamericanseeds.com and sow them around October. The mulch should be mostly broken down, but make sure you get plenty of seed-to-soil contact. You may have to sweep some mulch out of the way. I always have to weed a ton in the following spring because things that aren't my wildflowers have deposited seeds in my compost and it's hard to tell what's weeds and what's flowers for a while, which is a pain.

I also like planting some kind of ground cover like partridge berry (mitchella repens), dutchmans pipe (aristolochia fimbriata), or Texas frogfruit (phyla nodiflora), depending on light/water/soil conditions. All three are native, hosts for butterflies, and I find them at least a little attractive. They also keep windblown seeds from getting into and germinating in your bed in any significant capacity, but you'll never really be out of the weeds completely. Good luck on getting rid of some grass and increasing biodiversity in your yard!
This post was edited on 5/14/23 at 9:49 pm
Posted by cgrand
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Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 5/15/23 at 7:35 am to
don’t mulch the bed use a fine medium like peat moss or coco coir to mix the seeds into then rake or spread that over your prepared soil.

once sprouted you can carefully work in some leaves or pine straw to help with moisture loss.

if you plant now make sure you can reach it with a hose for regular watering
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
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Posted on 5/15/23 at 9:00 am to
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Good luck on getting rid of some grass and increasing biodiversity in your yard!
I’m at war with my lawn grass. Yesterday I dumped 3 yards of rotted bark in a sunny spot that I’ll plant wildflowers in this winter
Posted by TigerCael
Member since Jul 2019
112 posts
Posted on 5/15/23 at 10:41 am to
Hell yeah brother. Every summer/fall I pick seed pods and split perennials, then rip out another hundred square feet of grass or so and replace it with attractive native flowering plants that attract all the good bugs for my vegetable garden. Best part about native plants is I don't have to take care of them and they reproduce for free! I live deep in a suburb and the stray cats get any kind of rodents and reptiles, which is honestly preferable for my situation, but the insect and avian life in my 2000 sq ft backyard is crazy.
Posted by Houstiger
Houston
Member since Aug 2007
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Posted on 5/15/23 at 12:01 pm to
I did the same and have replaced about 50% of the grass in my back yard. Vegetables, herbs, all planted among flowers in the beds.
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 5/15/23 at 12:17 pm to
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he insect and avian life in my 2000 sq ft backyard is crazy.
the food chain illustrated in vivid color fascinates me. i like to start new beds around old tree stumps, and follow along as they decompose.

from fungi to plants to insects to reptiles to mammals & birds, life springs in bewildering variety, and all you have to do is...nothing
Posted by Zappas Stache
Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
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Posted on 5/15/23 at 5:25 pm to
I wouldn't put down cardboard. Kill off the grass first this summer then seed in the fall. Here is my yard right now

Posted by bobdylan
Cankton
Member since Aug 2018
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Posted on 5/15/23 at 5:31 pm to
That’s awesome.
Posted by NoBoDawg
Member since Feb 2014
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Posted on 5/16/23 at 9:59 am to
Looks fantastic man! I notice some sage..Are those from seed or planted Perennials?
I backup to a bayou, Instead of an installing fence, I’m Interested in doing this. Once again, great job, I know that’s a lot of work
Posted by Tigerroc
Member since Jun 2017
260 posts
Posted on 5/16/23 at 10:46 am to
Very nice. Are those Gaillardia or Mexican flowers? I have backyard perennial flower bed with few annuals. Added 2 bales of spaghnum moss and I’m
dealing with influx of weeds since then. Didn’t get to put any pre-emergence when it was all weeded. FYI: Use roofing shingles to rid weeds to expand new flower beds. My oak trees knocked out flower beds during Ida. Enjoy my flowers.
This post was edited on 5/16/23 at 10:50 am
Posted by bbvdd
Memphis, TN
Member since Jun 2009
25165 posts
Posted on 5/16/23 at 11:07 am to
I put out a few pounds of wild flower seeds at my farm in a field. I’m hoping that they will attract turkey and quail (eventually).

Wild flower seeds are pretty expensive. I bought them from a local garden store and they were $46/lbs.

Posted by Zappas Stache
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Posted on 5/16/23 at 11:14 am to
quote:

notice some sage..Are those from seed or planted Perennials?


It's a Duelberg sage which is perennial but seems prolifically. Mine came up from seed my neighbors put out.

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I know that’s a lot of work


Not really. I started seed about 5 years ago. I throw out about 4 or 5 oz of different seed each fall. Started with pink evening primrose 5 years ago and then added Indian Blanket and Mexican hat seed the next year. About 3 years ago I added annual wine cup and that is the purple flower you see. It exploded this year and is dominant now whereas the primrose was dominant the last 4 years . I pull a few weeds here and there but I am in Dallas so don't have the crazy weeds y'all have.

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Are those Gaillardia or Mexican flowers


Yes, Indian Blanket
This post was edited on 5/16/23 at 11:19 am
Posted by bobdylan
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Member since Aug 2018
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Posted on 5/16/23 at 12:24 pm to
You mind explaining how you prepped whenever you started, if you had grass?
Posted by Zappas Stache
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Posted on 5/16/23 at 3:49 pm to
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You mind explaining how you prepped whenever you started, if you had grass?



So when I bought this place over 20 years ago I sprayed roundup to kill off the bermuda/weeds that were there and sodded with Buffalo Grass. Over the next few years bermuda started invading and I ended up with a 50-50 mix of bermuda and buffalo and soon it was majority bermuda. So I just used a hand rake/tiller to scratch back the bermuda, lightly rough up the soil and put down a few seeds and press them into the soil, seeds just need soil contact. I did this over the course of a few days in the fall (October) so I had put down a seed patch about 5-8' apart throughout my lawn but I wasn't really measuring. I did this only with the pink evening primrose seed the first year. The next spring I had a few patches of primrose and the 2nd year had even more. By the third year, 60-70% of my lawn was primrose. The problem is primrose blooms early, late february/ early march, and by May they were done. You have to let the wildflowers go to seed before cutting them back so it looked a little rough for a month/6 weeks. So I used the same process with Indian Blanket and Mexican hat which bloom from May til end of june. Scratch back to the soil and press in some seeds. Next year I had a few of these new seeds germinate and after 2 years had a nice coverage of Indian Blanket and Mexican Hat after the primrose petered out. Then I added annual winecup seed (not perennial winecup) and after 2 years that has taken off. I also seeded sideoats grama grass back when I first seeded primrose so I would have those growing throughout the summer and into the fall. I am in Dallas so the species you need may be different. I bought from Native American Seed who has mixes for all of Texas and The Caddo Mix would be good for most parts of Louisiana. You could put that mix down and see what comes up over the next 2 years. I put down seeds of other species that never have done much so its a bit of trial and error. The Pink Evening Primrose does well in most of Texas (and Louisiana probably) so that is why I started with that.
This post was edited on 5/16/23 at 3:53 pm
Posted by bobdylan
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Member since Aug 2018
1532 posts
Posted on 5/16/23 at 4:48 pm to
Awesome, appreciate it.

Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
39137 posts
Posted on 5/16/23 at 7:17 pm to
quote:

I bought from Native American Seed
right on
just ordered a shitpile of seed
now I have the summer to get rid of more grass

Ida fricked me on the lost trees but now I have a big area getting sun and multiple stumps to build around

I’m going to prep areas like this

-smother with sawmill bark
-let it rot
-top dress with compost and sand
-edge with liriope
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
39137 posts
Posted on 5/16/23 at 7:23 pm to
this was seeded Saturday
already have germination

Posted by Kattail
Member since Aug 2020
3370 posts
Posted on 5/16/23 at 7:29 pm to
quote:

Here is my yard right now


I love that look, I can never get much to come up, what’s your secret?
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
27351 posts
Posted on 5/16/23 at 9:01 pm to
This was my first year, so I can't speak to best practices. With that said, this is my first year, and I'm either incredibly lucky or it's stupid easy.

I have a raised bed that I just don't have the energy to tend the way I would like, and I didn't like that it looked like shite last year. So, I bought this seed blend: LINK

After our last late freeze in Baton Rouge, I completely cleared by bed down to plain, well tilled/churned soil on March 25. Immediately afterwards, I hand sowed the seeds directly onto the soil, lightly pressed down (just to keep the seeds from blowing away; you can't bury them; they need direct sunlight), and gave them a good watering (which I did once a day for about a week). By March 27, they had sprouted. By March 31, my bed was a carpet of green. By April 9, I had actual identifiable plants growing. By April 23 I had my first flowers.

As I sit here on May 16, the plants are all about a foot and a half+ tall and are starting to throw up flowers in earnest, but my bed is still mostly vibrant green. I would say in the next couple of weeks, I should have a quarter or more in bloom. By the end of June, I imagine it will be quite the show.

All of that to say, you would need to make sure to keep them watered because it's so much hotter now, but I see no reason you couldn't start now and have flowers by mid summer.
This post was edited on 5/16/23 at 10:44 pm
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