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re: Baton Rouge PD helicopter crashes in Erwinville (2 dead)
Posted on 3/26/23 at 2:23 pm to Dominate308
Posted on 3/26/23 at 2:23 pm to Dominate308
damn..
just damn
just damn
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Posted on 3/26/23 at 2:24 pm to VernonPLSUfan
Spatial disorientation
Pilot didn’t know up from down left from right
Pilot didn’t know up from down left from right
Posted on 3/26/23 at 2:26 pm to Traveler
Should have had an ELT. There are a few FAA approved instances where you don't have to have an elt installed but considering he's probably operating under public use category he should have one.
Posted on 3/26/23 at 2:28 pm to VernonPLSUfan
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What is a spatial D for us land people?
Posted on 3/26/23 at 2:30 pm to choppadocta
Agree and if he had a 406MHz onboard the world should have known he was down and phones should have been ringing off the hook.
Posted on 3/26/23 at 2:31 pm to choppadocta
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There are a few FAA approved instances where you don't have to have an elt installed
A government owned aircraft doesn’t even actually need an airworthiness certificate. Not sure if this is case for BRPD though. Pretty wild. Either they didn’t have an ELT or it didn’t work.
Posted on 3/26/23 at 2:32 pm to Traveler
Agreed and I have worked on R44s before and on the 100 hour/annual inspection checklist you are supposed to verify the battery expiration date and operation of the elt, including g switch activation. now with a 406 you have to register it with NOAA if they did not register it still should have been going off and showing a aircraft down to a satellite
Posted on 3/26/23 at 2:34 pm to choppadocta
the aeronautics expertise of the OT never ceases to amaze me
Posted on 3/26/23 at 2:35 pm to Btrtigerfan
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I think they are used to the aircraft just landing at random places and times. For them to not be seen in constant flight is normal.
So they just fly around with no stated purpose all the time? In 2023, that's incredibly weird.
Posted on 3/26/23 at 2:36 pm to choppadocta
Choppers should have airbags
Posted on 3/26/23 at 2:37 pm to BoogalooCopperpot
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Spatial disorientation Pilot didn’t know up from down left from right
Nightime in rotary. Not much moon.
Posted on 3/26/23 at 2:37 pm to jcaz
It had an airworthiness certificate when it left Robinson helicopter but when you get into public use aircraft that gets a little weird with the regulations. And I have seen elts fail either through g-switch not working or just problems inside the unit itself that's why we check them on a regular basis on our aircraft every 100 hours and you are also a limited at what time of day you can set it off so as to not alert the Coast Guard because they will call you if your elt is going off. But it also has to be registered so they know who owns it and that's up to the owner / operator of the aircraft
This post was edited on 3/26/23 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 3/26/23 at 2:39 pm to VernonPLSUfan
spatial disorientation happens when the brain doesn’t see a horizon or any point of reference so that it knows “which way is up”.
if your brain doesn’t have the point of reference, it won’t realize if your turning left, right, or even going up or down.
i remember in college when i was getting my pilots license of flying instruments. i SWORE i was making a hard left turn, even though my seatbelt was pulling on me due to this step turn. looked at my instruments and e was flying straight and level.
it can be very difficult to believe your instruments when your brain is screaming something completely different.
if your brain doesn’t have the point of reference, it won’t realize if your turning left, right, or even going up or down.
i remember in college when i was getting my pilots license of flying instruments. i SWORE i was making a hard left turn, even though my seatbelt was pulling on me due to this step turn. looked at my instruments and e was flying straight and level.
it can be very difficult to believe your instruments when your brain is screaming something completely different.
Posted on 3/26/23 at 2:46 pm to choppadocta
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when you get into public use aircraft that gets a little weird with the regulations.
And when you mix that with some of the Forestry Dept and State run Forestry (CA) it goes into a whole another level of regs.
This post was edited on 3/26/23 at 3:01 pm
Posted on 3/26/23 at 2:48 pm to blight
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it can be very difficult to believe your instruments when your brain is screaming something completely different.
Bad way to fly.
Posted on 3/26/23 at 3:00 pm to choppadocta
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as to not alert the Coast Guard because they will call you if your elt is going off
Coast Guard or Air Force? I always heard of contacts coming from Scott AFB for ELT satellite hits.
Posted on 3/26/23 at 3:04 pm to haricot rouge
It may depend on what part of the country you are in but ours have always come from the Coast Guard
Posted on 3/26/23 at 3:05 pm to OWLFAN86
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the aeronautics expertise of the OT never ceases to amaze me
Astute observation my dear fellow, yet this gentleman is an actual physician of choppers
Posted on 3/26/23 at 4:10 pm to S
What if they simply ran out of fuel? If they were trying to autorotate maybe they didn’t send a distress call.
Posted on 3/26/23 at 4:24 pm to junkfunky
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8-9 hours after the crash? What the hell is going on at BRPD?
Business as usual under Paul Murphy.
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