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re: Livingston Parish 1% tax for teacher raises fails to pass
Posted on 3/29/23 at 9:21 pm to dallastigers
Posted on 3/29/23 at 9:21 pm to dallastigers
You keep using words like shadow, deceptive and deceitful. I do not understand where you get this from. It looks as though th school board looked at options to get enough money to get the 10% raise. After talking with tax assessor and sales tax it looked as though sales tax is the only way. The EFID board looks at it and decides whether to as for a sales tax and how much of one. They decided in order to get the 10% raise it would take a 1% sales tax. I don’t have a bunch of insider information but that seems pretty simple.
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Posted on 3/29/23 at 9:34 pm to TrouserTrout
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Its like these teachers didn’t go to school and didn’t realize what a teachers duties were before choosing to be one.
There should be some way to know what a career pays before college kids choose majors. Or teachers should come with a side gig built in for the third of the year they are off. Then if they decided to teach and do turnarounds, or whatever, they could feel amply compensated.
Posted on 3/29/23 at 9:36 pm to Bullfrog
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Maybe they have it to easy. IDK.
In 1901 - kids went to school already knowing how to read as well
Posted on 3/29/23 at 10:15 pm to secondandshort
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And this tax would have done that for them.
They should then be mad at this guy and board for making a bad decision. Choice of tax was wrong, and creating an EFID was a mistake based on what they state was reason for its creation. Public should not approve a bad choice by Sup and board just because it’s being sold as about the teachers.
District’s collected Sale Tax revenue busted above original estimates for 21-22 and probably doing so this school year ($66.9 million originally to $76.5 million actual for 21-22). Sales tax rates already very high with collections increasing (financials state they increased by 19% in 21-22) with property tax collections relatively flat with only 1.6% increase, comparatively lower millage rate than ascension or EBR school district, and totaled over $19 million in collected property taxes for 21-22.
If more local revenue truly needed after accounting for the still increasing sales tax collections it has to come from property taxes unless board can sell parish council, sheriff, and the municipalities in parish to lower their rates.
If I was a teacher in district I would be asking myself why was the creation of the educational facilities improvement district for emergency facilities issues and it’s subsequent request to levy a 1% sales tax that would bring in 20% to 40% more than estimated pay raises so important while hardly focus of campaign.
Posted on 3/29/23 at 10:29 pm to dallastigers
Well the creation of an EFID worked in Tangi and EBR to give their teachers pay raises.
Posted on 3/29/23 at 10:56 pm to secondandshort
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You keep using words like shadow, deceptive and deceitful. I do not understand where you get this from. It looks as though th school board looked at options to get enough money to get the 10% raise. After talking with tax assessor and sales tax it looked as though sales tax is the only way. The EFID board looks at it and decides whether to as for a sales tax and how much of one. They decided in order to get the 10% raise it would take a 1% sales tax. I don’t have a bunch of insider information but that seems pretty simple.
It’s apparent you don’t understand the power the state grants EFIDs due to being for a district in a state of emergency in regards to its facilities. Just asking for a tax and assigning one purpose like pay raise can be done without an EFID. It’s overkill for a pay raise and possibly not actually following the law in first place.
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A.(1)(a) The legislature finds and determines that a state of emergency exists in many of the public elementary and secondary schools of the respective parish and municipal school systems in the state with respect to the condition of school buildings and school-related facilities, that the technology capabilities in such public elementary and secondary schools are insufficient for the education of the children of this state, and that these and other conditions and factors are detrimental to the learning environment of the children of this state and, in certain instances, may be detrimental to their welfare and safety.
(b) The legislature further finds that these conditions are in urgent need of being addressed and remedied and that additional local funding is desirable and essential to these ends if the children of this state are to be competitive in the work force of the twenty-first century and in the development of sustainable economic activity in this state.
(c) The legislature further finds that the scope of these problems and other problems facing such parish and municipal school boards may exceed the present means available to such parish and municipal school boards.
(2) As a result of the foregoing, the legislature determines it essential and necessary to create special taxing districts to be known as educational facilities improvement districts and authorize them:
(a) To provide a source of revenue to enable the districts to engage in cooperative endeavors with parish and municipal school boards within their territorial boundaries for the purpose of assisting such parish and municipal school boards: in purchasing, constructing, or improving school buildings and other school-related facilities, including construction of necessary sidewalks and streets adjacent thereto; in acquiring necessary or desirable equipment and furnishings therefor, inclusive of technology and computer equipment and software; in repairing, maintaining, and rehabilitating existing school-related facilities, including the mitigation or prevention of hazardous conditions therein or demolition thereof; in acquiring or improving lands for building sites, playgrounds, and other school-related areas, title to which shall be vested in the public; and in maintaining such facilities.
(b) To provide funding for other matters for which school boards are authorized by law to expend funds.
(c) Generally to assist such school boards experiencing financial difficulties regarding capital facilities or other needs.
Either it’s been set up by parish school board to act out it’s intended purpose above using it’s granted power “as a body corporate and politic and as a political subdivision of the state with full corporate powers” or it’s a completely ignorant misuse of the law in an attempt to work around state limits on increases to sales tax which should in itself be a sign about sales tax being maxed out for most of parish.
If it’s the former than based on words of school board to public they are hiding the true reason and nature of its creation which with its power is basically a shadow board. If it’s the later than the entire board and Sup are clueless and reckless as to what they created (seeing it fell for email scam this might be possible), need to shut it down now, and then find a correct and legal way to raise local revenue on its own accord.
This post was edited on 3/30/23 at 11:46 am
Posted on 3/29/23 at 11:13 pm to Bayou Ken
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Well the creation of an EFID worked in Tangi and EBR to give their teachers pay raises.
Strange it would solely be created for pay raises in EBR as even the law added if the south east Baton Rouge school district ever got approved stated how it would repay EBR EFID for any related capital spending and debt done on buildings and property transferred from EBR to the new district.
Did EBR EFID increase sales tax? It’s not required to get approval on levying a sales tax to exist as it has other powers to get funds, hire, contract, go in debt, get sued, get assets from parish district, and so on which is why it’s creation shouldn’t be taken lightly.
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I saw the “East Baton Rouge Parish Educational Facilities Improvement District, Proposition 1, Capital Improvements Sales Tax” was renewed in April 2018.
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To assist the East Baton Rouge Parish School Board (the "Board") in funding repairs and renovations, enhancing technology and construction of new classrooms and schools in the public school system in East Baton Rouge Parish Educational Facilities Improvement District, Louisiana (the "District"), as set forth in and subject to "A Plan to Improve Facilities/Technology, Discipline and Compensation in the East Baton Rouge School System" approved by the Board as revised on February 22, 2018, shall the District be authorized to continue to levy and collect a tax of fifty-one hundredths of one percent (0.51%) (the "Tax")
Another smaller renewal for 0.08%
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To assist the East Baton Rouge Parish School Board (the "Board") in improving the educational environment in the East Baton Rouge Parish School System by improving discipline, providing alternative education and reducing truancy
Not sure about the .41% prop 3 renewal for increased pay.
All 3 seemed to have started in 1998 or around there. Renewed several times. Also part of dispute between EBR and Central school districts about collected money meant for central middle school along with other tax, capital, and building issues.
One thing showing districts power is EBR schools arguing that the EFID authorized the school district power to decide on tax plan spending and able to cancel funding of central middle on its own. Got authorization from its own creation.
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EBRP also contends that the EFID authorizes the EBRP School Board to make decisions regarding the Tax Plan projects and budgets. Thus, EBRP contends, it has the discretion to modify any provisions of the Tax Plan “to accommodate unforeseen events, emergencies, and variations in estimates.”
Plus just looking at one lawsuit with Central and tax structures there was and is a lot more going on with EBR’s EFID and actual facilities than just funding a pay increase like Livingston’s is allegedly only set up to do.
There is also EBR schools collecting 1% and it’s EFID collecting 1% for a total of 2% sale tax which even combined is still lower than Livingston parish school board’s current 2.5% sales tax. Livingston schools still get an additional .5% in district 22 and an additional 1% in district 33. This is all before it’s EFID’s creation and it’s request for an additional 1% sales tax increase parish wide solely for pay raises.
EBR’s EFID also has been asking 10 year terms for renewal of its multiple rate’s including facilities versus the 20 year term Livingston’s EFID requested for pay raises only.
Livingston parish school board actually runs the sales tax collection in parish and gets to charge/keep collection fees of just over $1 million (21-22 financials) from the other taxing entities on top of its own collections.
This post was edited on 3/30/23 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 3/30/23 at 6:08 am to dallastigers
Now they had to close schools today so these bitches can go complain at a board meeting.
Posted on 3/30/23 at 6:14 am to toosleaux
Good. I can not imagine why anyone would vote to willingly raise their taxes
Posted on 3/30/23 at 6:16 am to LSUDAN1
They’re “educators”. Don’t you understand? They need a whole day off to make signs and write lyrics to little songs or limericks to perform at and around the meeting. You can’t expect teachers to teach classes all day and THEN go to a meeting and adequately express themselves. What’s wrong with you?
And they wonder why taxpayers seem not to care.
And they wonder why taxpayers seem not to care.
Posted on 3/30/23 at 8:41 am to tigerinthebueche
Listen, Im not crying about what I signed up for because Im not an idiot. Lots of people have no idea what kind of hours SOME put in working in education. My schedule this week (mind you I get to work at 7am Mon-Fri)
Mon - baseball practice unitl 6:30
Tues - Home baseball game so I got off work around 8:30
Wed - Track meet I got to the school at midnight
Thu - Away baseball game I'll get off the bus around 9:30
Fri - Track meet anther 17 hour day
Sat - Away baseball game so anther 7 hours to the week
At rural schools coaches drive the buses and don't get paid for that either. If you think my supplement is very much for coaching.....hahahaha
On top of all that I teach a full load with 4 preps. I do love my job but this time of year is tough
Mon - baseball practice unitl 6:30
Tues - Home baseball game so I got off work around 8:30
Wed - Track meet I got to the school at midnight
Thu - Away baseball game I'll get off the bus around 9:30
Fri - Track meet anther 17 hour day
Sat - Away baseball game so anther 7 hours to the week
At rural schools coaches drive the buses and don't get paid for that either. If you think my supplement is very much for coaching.....hahahaha
On top of all that I teach a full load with 4 preps. I do love my job but this time of year is tough
Posted on 3/30/23 at 9:09 am to Hangit
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There should be some way to know what a career pays before college kids choose majors. Or teachers should come with a side gig built in for the third of the year they are off. Then if they decided to teach and do turnarounds, or whatever, they could feel amply compensated.
You're joking right?
Every public school system has publicly accessible salary tables for potential/current employees & general public to know salaries of employees in the district.
Also, general Google searches with websites like Glassdoor, LinkedIn, Indeed, etc. can provide an estimated salary for industry/job titles that college kids can look at before choosing a major.
The gap in that logic is that college kids (and some adults in careers) don't look at pay scales based on their geographic location. They see a "Teacher" in Houston, TX starts out at $75K and Denham Springs, LA is $48K, the difference is cost of living is A LOT higher in Houston than Denham Springs, but the individual now expects to make $75K coming out of college and gets hit with a reality of $48K for the market they actually live and work in (which creates the "I want a raise because they get paid more" mentality).
And to tie it locally, it costs more to live in Ascension Parish over Livingston Parish. When we looked for houses in 2014, the same house in AP cost about $15K more than the house in LP. Fast forward in 2022, the gap was $25K more for a similar house.
Posted on 3/30/23 at 9:16 am to ModernCajun
I am not reading this whole thread, but look I think teachers should get a raise, but if it goes up for vote and the people vote against it then that's that.
Why didn't the school system, the teachers, etc work harder to get people to the polls?
Why didn't the school system, the teachers, etc work harder to get people to the polls?
Posted on 3/30/23 at 9:28 am to OweO
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Why didn't the school system, the teachers, etc work harder to get people to the polls?
Their efforts backfired. Multiple coworkers with kids in the school district were getting robocalls about going to vote "Yes" for the 1% tax on a daily/weekly basis leading up to the ballot.
LPPS wanted an off-cycle ballot to put the measure on so that most people wouldn't vote and they hoped for a push of "Yes" votes.
In the 2022 election for US Senator/Representative, there were 43K votes tabbed in Livingston Parish, the ballot March 25th for this tax.... only 17K votes.
Their recent mismanagement of funds ($2M lost in a scam) and the already high taxes in the parish (9.45%-10.45%), pushed people to show up at the polls to vote "No" and that outweighed the "Yes" votes the school system expected to get them a "W".
Posted on 3/30/23 at 9:52 am to Deactived
At some point, you'd be better off investing the education funds into a private account, earning interest and dividends, each year and give it to the kid when he turns 18 instead of trying to educate him. In many cases the kid would end up with more than he could net in his lifetime. I'd bet, in many urban districts where the most money is spent (stats vary greatly depending upon what is considered "student expenditures" with some sources showing NY spending almost $40,000/yr), assuming a relatively conservative 5-8% return on investments compounded over 13 years, it'd get you pretty close to a million bucks. Someone would have to make $1.4 M to net that after taxes. there is a threshold at which we need to ask ourselves if the investment is worth it.
Posted on 3/30/23 at 9:55 am to Park duck
fair point, in reading through these comments I was not taking into consideration participation requirements regarding extra curriculars. It is definitely a factor. Thank you for the reminder
Posted on 3/30/23 at 9:59 am to OweO
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Why didn't the school system, the teachers, etc work harder to get people to the polls?
the locals I know have no faith or trust in the school board to manage the taxpayer's money. Not an uncommon sentiment these days.
Posted on 3/30/23 at 10:04 am to TrouserTrout
In my case, I pay about $40,000 each year in property taxes (about half goes to Houston Independent School District) AND I pay three private school tuitions on top of that because HISD is over crowded, poorly run, and misdirected. So I DO get my pants in a wad when someone wants MORE. Or says I'm not paying my fair share. Or adds another layer of B.S. bureaucracy each time they do get funds. That is not to say that I don't appreciate the efforts of our teachers, and the work that they do as individuals. The money is there,redirect expenditures. (look up the district on the Texas/Mexico border that had so much extra $$ they built a water park)
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This post was edited on 3/30/23 at 10:05 am
Posted on 3/30/23 at 10:19 am to ModernCajun
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You're joking right?
They know what it pays in their home parish, and surrounding parishes, then bust their arse to get an elementary education degree, hoping for a big Mrs. degree, then spend the rest of their lives gaining weight and querulous.
This post was edited on 3/30/23 at 10:20 am
Posted on 3/30/23 at 10:22 am to Hangit
The teachers almost had me feeling bad for them until they came up with the "You couldn't even give 1 cent for teachers" line on Facebook. Now I hope they find a way to take more money from them or at least keep increasing inflation.
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