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re: Deputies arrest 4 in LSU student Madison Brooks case
Posted on 2/6/23 at 3:19 pm to CoastLSUFan
Posted on 2/6/23 at 3:19 pm to CoastLSUFan
"It was Woody Overton’s Real Life Real Crime podcast that discussed the additional rape charges against Kaivon Washington.
RLRC"
Yes. I would add this to the above list posted on 02/04/23 by AlwysATgr, if possible. I think having a good working list of linked sources of information is helpful for the amateur sleuths monitoring this page. As I mentioned before, my son attended the memorial last Friday in Covington and I have photos of the handout the family gave. I offered to post it here, but just dont know how to post photos and there didnt seem to be much interest, either. It has information about the Foundation they are setting up for her. I am happy to share that with anyone interested.
RLRC"
Yes. I would add this to the above list posted on 02/04/23 by AlwysATgr, if possible. I think having a good working list of linked sources of information is helpful for the amateur sleuths monitoring this page. As I mentioned before, my son attended the memorial last Friday in Covington and I have photos of the handout the family gave. I offered to post it here, but just dont know how to post photos and there didnt seem to be much interest, either. It has information about the Foundation they are setting up for her. I am happy to share that with anyone interested.
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Posted on 2/6/23 at 4:31 pm to WaWaWeeWa
What they forget is that the video has to be taken in context with all the other evidence. You can't just isolate that one snippet while ignoring everything else. If that video was all of the evidence there was, they wouldn't even be charged with anything. If that one video invalidated everything else, the charges would be dropped.
But that video doesn't erase everything else and I wager that the prosecution will call an expert on intoxication that can give a good explanation for what we see
But that video doesn't erase everything else and I wager that the prosecution will call an expert on intoxication that can give a good explanation for what we see
Posted on 2/6/23 at 4:37 pm to TigerFWTX
For those who are interested, there will be a Memorial Mass in honor of Madison Brooks at Christ the King Catholic Church (it’s the church on the corner of Highland and Dalrymple) on Wednesday, February 15, at 6:00 PM.
This post was edited on 2/6/23 at 9:41 pm
Posted on 2/6/23 at 4:42 pm to clip11
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Wouldn't be surprised if he was part of the actual rape. The same with the driver.
Come on man.
Unless it’s part of the charges, that isn’t fair speculation
This post was edited on 2/6/23 at 4:56 pm
Posted on 2/6/23 at 5:34 pm to TigerFWTX
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"It was Woody Overton’s Real Life Real Crime podcast that discussed the additional rape charges against Kaivon Washington.
RLRC"
Yes. I would add this to the above list posted on 02/04/23 by AlwysATgr, if possible. I think having a good working list of linked sources of information is helpful for the amateur sleuths monitoring this page. As I mentioned before, my son attended the memorial last Friday in Covington and I have photos of the handout the family gave. I offered to post it here, but just dont know how to post photos and there didnt seem to be much interest, either. It has information about the Foundation they are setting up for her. I am happy to share that with anyone interested.
And perhaps the Admins can make AlwysATgr's post a sticky at the top of this thread. Again, it is a good list of pertinent informational sources in this case - rather than reading all 350+ pages.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 5:43 pm to clip11
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So it leads me to believe that they both had anal sex with her
If we are going to speculate, lets go with the more likely scenario:
First rapist vaginal rape. 2nd rapist thought to himself "I ain't gettin no sloppy seconds" and decided to rape her anally.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 5:56 pm to HodsonTiger13
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Better to up the charges to first degree. With the four facing life in prison, someone will cooperate to hang the other three.
With Washington having his other legal troubles with the 12 year old, he has more to lose. My thoughts is that they offer to work with him if he agrees to testify against the 17 year old.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 6:01 pm to JAMAC2001
Could be. But the affidavit didn't mention vaginal penetration and since they didn't have DNA results at the time of the arrest, they have no way of knowing which one penetrated her anally unless one admitted it. And Washington denied that sex happened, period.
They charged him with 3rd degree sexual assault/anal. More speculation is that perhaps she was on her period and they decided to go in the back door.
They charged him with 3rd degree sexual assault/anal. More speculation is that perhaps she was on her period and they decided to go in the back door.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 6:28 pm to clip11
Clip, what did you do with HodsonTiger?
Posted on 2/6/23 at 7:01 pm to tigerskin
Delete
This post was edited on 2/6/23 at 7:22 pm
Posted on 2/6/23 at 7:06 pm to clip11
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The affidavit didn't mention anything about vaginal penetration. Only anal. When the coroner examined the body, as far as I know, he didn't mention anything about vaginal penetration. So it leads me to believe that they both had anal sex with her or else there would have been signs of vaginal penetration and semen found in her vagina as well. But the affidavit doesn't mention that.
Keep in mind that the affidavit for the 17 year old hasn’t been released publicly. So we don’t know how exactly they charged him, other than third degree rape.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 7:07 pm to JudgeHolden
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What are the odds that a 17 year old would take advantage of a situation? I'd say that is the question.
Also, they have charged the 28 year old as a principal, right? That means he was "concerned in the commission of a crime" or he aide and abetted its commission, or directly or indirectly counseled or procured another to commit the crime."
He did something other than just sit there, or there would not have charged him as a principal.
I thought the fact that he was in possession of the vehicle, did nothing, let her out and then drove the other two away from the crime & victim made him an accomplice.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 7:10 pm to LSUGrrrl
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I thought the fact that he was in possession of the vehicle, did nothing, let her out and then drove the other two away from the crime & victim made him an accomplice.
the 28 year old was not the driver...
Posted on 2/6/23 at 7:10 pm to LSUGrrrl
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I thought the fact that he was in possession of the vehicle, did nothing, let her out and then drove the other two away from the crime & victim made him an accomplice.
If it was his car, maybe. Generally doing nothing is not a crime. If he just sat there, I don’t think he’s a principal.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 7:11 pm to pussywillows
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the 28 year old was not the driver...
Gotcha. Thanks
Posted on 2/6/23 at 7:13 pm to JudgeHolden
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If it was his car, maybe. Generally doing nothing is not a crime. If he just sat there, I don’t think he’s a principal.
I thought he drove them away which would definitely make him an accomplice. Not being the driver, I’m curious what promoted the charges. He had to do something.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 7:31 pm to lostinbr
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Keep in mind that the affidavit for the 17 year old hasn’t been released publicly.
I know, but what I'm saying is that we don't know if there was vaginal penetration because it wasn't listed by the coroner, at least not in the affidavit. And if it was, they would need DNA results to know who put what where.
Basically, I think they both anally assaulted her
Posted on 2/6/23 at 7:49 pm to berrycajun
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she didn’t WANT to go home with them)
Hmmm...never thought about that. But it does seem logical that if she was willing to have anal sex with them in the backseat of a car, she would have been willing to spend a night at one of their houses until she could call someone to get her.
The fact that, according to them, she insisted on being let out the car can show that when she realized what was happening, she wanted out.
This post was edited on 2/6/23 at 8:51 pm
Posted on 2/6/23 at 7:52 pm to JudgeHolden
Doing nothing?
14:24.
The two in the front seat were present. Casen, the driver pulled the vehicle to a dark area, and we don't know the full details of events from there. Sort of like the bank robber though waiting outside for the robbers inside. Man at the wheel is a principal.
Madison was incapable of resisting or consenting due to her incapacity. Anyone in the car should have stopped the rape, especially a 28 year old man.
14:24.
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All persons concerned in the commission of a crime whether present or absent, and whether they directly commit the act constituting the offense, aid and abet in its commission, or directly or indirectly counsel or procure another to commit the crime are principals.
The two in the front seat were present. Casen, the driver pulled the vehicle to a dark area, and we don't know the full details of events from there. Sort of like the bank robber though waiting outside for the robbers inside. Man at the wheel is a principal.
Madison was incapable of resisting or consenting due to her incapacity. Anyone in the car should have stopped the rape, especially a 28 year old man.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 7:58 pm to DVA Tailgater
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ETA: I can’t even imagine the level of fricked up-ness it would take to sit in the front seat while rapes were occurring in the back seat.
Knowing the victim was there because you promised to get her home safely. Your vehicle. Sit there while that's going on?
And that's the best case version of Casen. That's the perps telling their "here's my story to make me look good" spin on events. None of them believed they were suspects when they were initially interviewed. Washington had no clue until they asked for his DNA.
Local newspaper had a new story up today about the crime. Said only 50 out of 1000 rapes are reported. Think those were the numbers given.
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