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re: Anyone here believe that Russia is going to attack Poland
Posted on 1/13/23 at 8:29 am to Chimlim
Posted on 1/13/23 at 8:29 am to Chimlim
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You would think Ukraine would be able to develop some kind of effectiveness with the absurd amount of money we handed over to them.
You would be amazed where the money is ending up. Besides the obvious (zelensky and his Ukraine ilk, DC swamp rats) there is a ton of weaponry and money being funneled to the middle east and Africa.
There is a reason the democrats are adamantly opposed to an audit of the money
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Posted on 1/13/23 at 8:29 am to Chimlim
Said every war planner ever 
Posted on 1/13/23 at 8:33 am to SlowFlowPro
The only reason I know what's he saying is there is a whole segment of alt media basically arguing that Ukraine is one of, if not the best, NATO trained militaries (I know they are not technically part of NATO, but the argument is they have been trained/fortified for the last 8 years) and they are being ground to dust. Not saying I agree with it, but that's the take. It's wild how people see this conflict so differently. I can't link this because the site is not secure, but an uber-libertarian guy Bob Moriarty (owns the site 321gold) posted this today:
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It should have and could have ended in March with Ukraine agreeing to basically what the terms Putin demanded in November of 2021. Ukraine was to stop shelling Donbas, adhere to the terms of the Minsk II agreement and accept the land positions as of February 24th.
Then Boris Johnson, already on the skids and about to be thrown out of office on his arse, stepped in and reminded Zelensky that if Nato and the US contributed tens of billions more to Ukraine, there would be a great opportunity for Zelensky to buy a real mansion in Miami with some of the proceeds. Zelensky reportedly was prepared to agree to terms with Russia and backed down after careful reconsideration. As a result he has now totally destroyed Ukraine.
Nato has painted itself into a corner with their own lies all along. Recently former Ukraine president Poshenko admitted, "Ukraine was never going to implement the Minsk Agreement." And if that is not enough to show you who the good guys were and who the liars were, former German Chancellor Merkel admits that she signed the agreement on behalf of Germany understanding that she had no intention of forcing Ukraine to adhere to the terms of the agreement. French President Hollande admitted the same.
One day very soon when Russia shows Nato and the US what Shock and Awe really means, the EU is going to wake up to what they have allowed the US to do to them from the terrorist bombing of Nord Stream to the universe class stupidity of the EU in subscribing to the sanctions which have hurt them far worse than they did hurt Russia. And the US is laughing at Europe for falling for it. Blinken wanted Europe and especially Germany and France to know that the US wants Europe to fail. The Nord Stream sabotage is a “Tremendous Opportunity.” That is a tremendous opportunity to pay four to ten times as much for gas from the United States rather than pay for inexpensive gas from Russia.
It is dangerous to be an enemy of the United States but it is far worse to be a friend of the United States.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 8:36 am to Bunk Moreland
The US wins our wars with our Air Force and Navy. Regardless of what manpower we send to Ukraine, we have not really used either in this conflict. What we have done in Ukraine is not an effort that could be judged if contemplating an actual US-Russia (non-nuclear) war.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 8:49 am to Bunk Moreland
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The only reason I know what's he saying is there is a whole segment of alt media basically arguing that Ukraine is one of, if not the best, NATO trained militaries (I know they are not technically part of NATO, but the argument is they have been trained/fortified for the last 8 years) and they are being ground to dust. Not saying I agree with it, but that's the take. It's wild how people see this conflict so differently. I can't link this because the site is not secure, but an uber-libertarian guy Bob Moriarty (owns the site 321gold) posted this today:
Nope. We're depleting our own resources to help fund Ukraine's army. It's not sustainable.
Just this week:
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US Navy Secretary Carlos Del Toro has stated that within the next six months, the US Navy may need to choose between arming itself or Ukraine, as weapons producers aren't making them quickly enough.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 8:56 am to imjustafatkid
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We're depleting our own resources to help fund Ukraine's army. It's not sustainable.
I mean, does anyone really think another country is going to attack America?
Also, this is typical military-bureaucratic funding messaging. They just want more money.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 8:59 am to Jax-Tiger
No. Why would they? The US is already hemorrhaging cash and weakening itself dumping billions in to Ukraine. They'll still take Ukraine eventually, and we'll be weaker. Win-win for Vlad. WTF are we so stupid?
Posted on 1/13/23 at 9:01 am to Sharlo
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They'll still take Ukraine eventually, and we'll be weaker.
Assuming Putin does take Ukraine, it's basically a suicide pact. You think Russia will be in a better position for the next 10-15 years after this war compared to the US? REALLY?
Posted on 1/13/23 at 9:02 am to Jax-Tiger
No and that stinks of the "I stand with Ukraine, Russia is evil" narrative
Posted on 1/13/23 at 9:13 am to Jax-Tiger
No they are going roll Ukraine though. They will not be the ones to blame if NATO gets directly involved.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 9:15 am to Jax-Tiger
Thanks for updating us on the new talking point. I hadn't heard that one, so whisper campaign to the rescue.
This is what it looks like when you're less of a country and more of a staging area fro a global empire.
This is what it looks like when you're less of a country and more of a staging area fro a global empire.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 9:16 am to Jax-Tiger
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Or some other NATO country if they the Ukraine?
No
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That's the narrative on why we have to keep funding the war in Ukraine.
Not really
Posted on 1/13/23 at 9:21 am to Jax-Tiger
I think they will. The plan of the global
Elite is world war. World war is the best way to take the focus off of what they are doing. War brings about false patriotism by creating an is vs. them
Mentality and also uniting people for a common purpose. This world war will solidify the globalists place in leadership and place the people under total
Control once and for all. It also eliminates a large part of the population capable of resistance.
Elite is world war. World war is the best way to take the focus off of what they are doing. War brings about false patriotism by creating an is vs. them
Mentality and also uniting people for a common purpose. This world war will solidify the globalists place in leadership and place the people under total
Control once and for all. It also eliminates a large part of the population capable of resistance.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 10:00 am to SlowFlowPro
No. But they were always going to invade Ukraine, and it was always going to be a long, bloody conflict. We didn't have to involve ourselves to this degree. We are choosing to harm ourselves far greater than necessary while simultaneously elevating the risk for open conflict with a superpower.
So again, WTF are we so stupid?
So again, WTF are we so stupid?
Posted on 1/13/23 at 10:04 am to Jax-Tiger
Moldova and Poland. Russia needs to control the areas that have previously been used to stage invasions of Russia. It's been their foreign policy for over 1,000 years.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 10:08 am to Jax-Tiger
Nah, if you know any Poles, you understand that they will expend every ounce of blood they have to make sure they aren't under the Russians thumbs ever again.
The Russians know this too.
The Russians know this too.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 10:08 am to Chimlim
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You would think Ukraine would be able to develop some kind of effectiveness with the absurd amount of money we handed over to them.
Russia has 10x Ukraines military budget, 9x gdp, and almost 4x population, and Ukraine have fought Russia head to head for nearly a year, to basically a standstill. But you don't think they have developed some effectiveness??
Posted on 1/13/23 at 10:10 am to Lynxrufus2012
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Ukraine is corrupt as hell, but Russia had no business invading
The same could be said, at surface level, inserting Iraq and the United States in Gulf War II.
There are TS/SAP reasons why we did (and it's not WMD or 911) and no doubt the Russians have their TS/SAP reasons as well.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 10:32 am to Jax-Tiger
If you believe Putin's 2007 speech and what Russian state owned new media, along with Russia's entire history from the Tsars thru the USSR to today, then yes.
To assume that Russia doesn't desire Poland to be in its territory is just being Dicky Dumbass.
To assume that Russia doesn't desire Poland to be in its territory is just being Dicky Dumbass.
This post was edited on 1/13/23 at 10:34 am
Posted on 1/13/23 at 10:52 am to Chimlim
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You would think Ukraine would be able to develop some kind of effectiveness with the absurd amount of money we handed over to them.
While a agree with your sentiment, at this point it is just damn Monopoly money....same as what is in our wallets and retirements.
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