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re: Are our NIL capabilities really still this far behind?

Posted on 12/22/22 at 11:37 am to
Posted by NJLSU
Member since Aug 2022
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Posted on 12/22/22 at 11:37 am to
LMFAO
Posted by GeauxTigers247
Member since Oct 2019
1563 posts
Posted on 12/22/22 at 11:37 am to
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Are our NIL capabilities really still this far behind?


In my humble opinion, it’s not a wise investment to dump a large sum of money on an athlete who’s unproven at the collegiate level. Yes, throw some money at him, but don’t back up the truck for him. It’s just a huge risk. You saw what happened at A&M. Save the big money for proven athletes who have performed well on the collegiate field and off the field. Pay big money to keep the proven players on the roster and pull proven talent in the portal as needed. Modest sums should go to the freshman class with the understanding that they’ll make big money if they perform well on and off the field.
Posted by 1984Tiger
North Carolina
Member since Apr 2006
7283 posts
Posted on 12/22/22 at 11:39 am to
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Good luck to him if this is true.

Yep … call me old fashioned, but I don’t want players looking for the biggest paycheck. Chances are, they will be in the portal as soon as a better offer comes around.
Posted by deuce985
Member since Feb 2008
27660 posts
Posted on 12/22/22 at 12:04 pm to
They just signed a top 5-6 class. They also just took a future WR1 from Bama 5* and will sign a freshman all-american CB in Harris. But yes, our NIL funds are behind.

Did you ever think LSU might just shift the money they intended for Ricks elsewhere? Who knows, maybe they can convince Cypress to start alongside Harris. Let it play out. No, we're not behind in NIL. You win some you lose some.
This post was edited on 12/22/22 at 12:05 pm
Posted by Perrenial Powerhouse
Mandeville,LA via Boston
Member since Jan 2006
3641 posts
Posted on 12/22/22 at 12:15 pm to
Jesus Christ, have you paid attention to the recruiting class that actually signed?
Posted by Portcityblues
Member since Jan 2017
654 posts
Posted on 12/22/22 at 12:30 pm to
This NIL junk is crazy already. I thought it wasn't supposed to be a pay to come play. It was meant to be come here and be successful and NIL opportunities will arise. The fact that coaches are talking about bidding wars to get players is the exact thing that was supposed to be against the rules. Not counting tampering behind the scenes to contact players on other teams that are not in the portal. I have always thought that it is good to give the kids something but within reason. cap it out to where the most a kid can make is like $50k per year. what other students out there make anywhere near that working while going to school full time.
Posted by BallChamp00
Member since May 2015
6407 posts
Posted on 12/22/22 at 12:31 pm to
What makes you all think these guys are choosing money?
Posted by TutHillTiger
Mississippi Alabama
Member since Sep 2010
43700 posts
Posted on 12/22/22 at 12:32 pm to
IMG guys are always out for themselves and have agents etc, doesn’t mean they can’t be great players too but there is a reason so many of them end up at Alabama and Georgia.

It’s going to get much worse, Alabama and Georgia think they have NIL money, Texas can buy them both 100 times over if they get their shite together
Posted by BallChamp00
Member since May 2015
6407 posts
Posted on 12/22/22 at 12:33 pm to
We do not know what these kids are being told. But what if Kelly is telling Ricks he’s a starter from day 1 and Saban is telling him he will have a chance to compete for the starting job. Some kids want to compete.
Posted by CRW
Destrahan
Member since Aug 2016
1104 posts
Posted on 12/22/22 at 12:42 pm to
Kelly has said he`s not getting into a bidding war.thats not
the kind of player he wants.NIL made a fair offer but Ricks
wanted more and we said see yuo later.Either you are commited to being a tiger or in it for a money grab.
Posted by ronk
Member since Jan 2015
6227 posts
Posted on 12/22/22 at 12:45 pm to
What large number of recruits did we lose to them?
Posted by SouthernInsanity
Shadows of Death Valley
Member since Nov 2012
18757 posts
Posted on 12/22/22 at 12:46 pm to
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Are "our" NIL capabilities


OUR.... OUR.... what exactly does anyone posting on TD bring to this NIL world?
Posted by J2thaROC
Member since May 2018
13054 posts
Posted on 12/22/22 at 12:46 pm to
We didn’t lose Ricks because of NIL. He got paid a huge lump sum up front.
Posted by lsufanva
sandston virginia
Member since Aug 2009
12414 posts
Posted on 12/22/22 at 1:24 pm to
Our capabilities aren't behind at all. We are just as capable as anyone within reason(ask Patrick Peterson). So no. The correct answer to your question is that our willingness to compete with the big spenders is that far behind. Don't mind the strategy we employ but we can't miss much. Kelly is known for building and developing and if he's not willing to play the bidding game he better be ready to continue that reputation.
Posted by wutangfinancial
Treasure Valley
Member since Sep 2015
11193 posts
Posted on 12/22/22 at 1:26 pm to
quote:

Are our NIL capabilities really still this far behind?


No, but our trophy case and consistency are still at this point
Posted by tigersruledude
Member since Oct 2005
1484 posts
Posted on 12/22/22 at 1:32 pm to
We are gonna have to come to terms with the idea that this is all still new. Being the highest bidder for guys with their hand out may not be the best plan for LSU. It might not be the best plan for anyone.

The only real case study in how this plays out so far is AtM last year. It didn't go well. LSU is not in the place right now to be the guinea pig on this. We are in a delicate place with a team culture rebuild.

If Bamas culture can handle it...fine. Let them. I don't want to get into bidding wars for DB recruits.

QBs...sure...lets talk.

Game changing generational DL like a Clowney or a Garrett...I'd consider it.

Anybody else I think the long term is gonna show it isn't gonna be worth it at most places.
Posted by Hot Carl
Prayers up for 3
Member since Dec 2005
59302 posts
Posted on 12/22/22 at 2:14 pm to
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We do not know what these kids are being told.


True

quote:

But what if Kelly is telling Ricks he’s a starter from day 1 and Saban is telling him he will have a chance to compete for the starting job.


There is absolutely zero chance this happened. Zero. I forgot who it was, but someone was telling a story about how we landed Harold Perkins, who A&M offered more to. (I don’t know if Jimbo is the kind of coach to offer a starting job to, but he’s certainly much more likely than Kelly).

Regardless, we had already hired House, but he was still coaching for the Chiefs in their playoff run. But he took time out of preparing for a playoff game—on game day—to talk to Perkins and his family. He was to tell Harold what he could do for him, since he was gonna be his position coach along with the DC. They expected him to give them the usual “we’re gonna get you on the field early, have you All-SEC by your 2nd year, and All-American and an NFL 1st rounder by your JR year” that they’d apparently been hearing. House immediately goes into “we’re gonna change your eyes. You’ve got a bad habit of looking…” and goes through a list of his weaknesses that he can help fix to develop him into the best player he could be. The family looks at each other like, “damn, this is different.” Not only was he not blowing the usual smoke up their arse by telling him how great he was, but Matt House—as the LB coach of the Chiefs in the middle of what they hoped was another Super Bowl run—had already taken the time to break down Harold’s high school tape enough to see some weaknesses and communicate a well thought out plan to address them and help him become the very best LB he could possibly be.

That may not be the 1 thing that sold him on LSU, but it certainly helped. And that’s the kind of shite that Kelly and company are gonna have to do to continue to do well in recruiting. Selling the big vision of instilling good, lifelong habits and “Graduate Champions” and all that entails, but also getting to know each individual recruit and their families, figuring out what’s important to them, and communicating an individual plan to help them achieve what’s important. (Or changing their minds on what is really important). Mom is a teacher and believes in a good education? “Mrs. Jones, we have fantastic “fill-in-the-blank” program at LSU. Jimmy is an early enrollee, and what we like to do with our EEs is have them take as many classes as reasonable during that 1st spring and summer semester and get them a head start on their degree path so that they aren’t taking their most challenging classes during the fall when football responsibilities ramp up if they’re not ready for that that 1st year. But we also have an outstanding support staff of tutors on hand that will work with your son one on one when necessary and will keep up with where he’s at and how he’s doing and make sure that he’s not only being held accountable for going to class, but is not falling behind. On the flip side, we’ll make sure he’s challenging himself as well and not coasting. We’ll do everything in our power to make sure he’s getting the appropriate balance—for him—of school, football, and social life possible. And if you want me to get more specific, I can tell you what we’ve done in the past—I consider myself an educator as much as a coach—what has worked well for us and how we’ve not only incorporated some of that at LSU, but how we’ve improved on it with some of the unique resources we have….”

He’s got to sell the macro and the micro vision, tailor it to the individual, communicate it, and lay out the plan to achieve it while being genuine and actually meaning it. I honestly don’t think we could have a better head coach for our particular position right now than Brian Kelly.
Posted by Honkus
Member since Aug 2005
51518 posts
Posted on 12/22/22 at 2:19 pm to
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imagine we’re going to continue to miss the forest for the trees because of one recruit. Landed literally every guy we thought we would except one, yet we’re so far behind. Jesus Christ people. Got three five stars, but one goes to Bama and we all lose it. Sad.



Yep.. also ab to load up in the TP while losing nobody of significance.
Posted by CatsGoneWild
Pigeon forge, Tennessee
Member since Jan 2008
13360 posts
Posted on 12/22/22 at 2:19 pm to
You guys are happy with a #6 -#7 class? We won't win championships with classes like that. Bama and Georgia are getting top 10 players at their positions, and bama got seven 5 stars. It DOES make a difference
Posted by BeeFense5
Kenner
Member since Jul 2010
41293 posts
Posted on 12/22/22 at 2:20 pm to
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You guys are happy with a #6 -#7 class? We won't win championships with classes like that


We won't? Weird because we have won them with worse.
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