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Posted on 12/18/22 at 10:48 am to
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
59247 posts
Posted on 12/18/22 at 10:48 am to
Did the OP sign anything?
Posted by rltiger
Metairie
Member since Oct 2004
887 posts
Posted on 12/18/22 at 11:13 am to
Competitor wants to hire you. You have a non-compete. You stop going to work and hit the bar every day, curse out you boss, and tell HR to go F themselves. You’d eventually get fired.

The is one reason why firing doesn’t void a non-compete.


Posted by chinhoyang
Member since Jun 2011
23703 posts
Posted on 12/18/22 at 12:38 pm to
I don't have the time to go through all the terrible responses here.

1. A well-drafted non-compete is enforceable, and I have enforced them many times over the last thirty years.

2. A well-drafted non-compete will have a provision that allows for it to be enforced even if the employee is laid off or fired. Though not every jurisdiction will enforce one under these circumstances, some will.

3. Louisiana has some unusual provisions for non-compete agreements. As a result, there is a higher percentage of unenforceable non-competes in Louisiana.

4. Employers sometimes bluff about enforcement of non-competes. You may receive a demand letter, but this does not mean the employer is going to sue you. Whether to treat the demand letter as a bluff is a decision you have to make (after having appropriate legal counsel on the issue).

5. The non-compete agreements are disfavored. I had an employer receive a demand letter from an employee's prior employer. They were notifying the employer about the non-compete. The agreement had a glaring grammatical error. It provided that the agreement was unenforceable if the employee ended his employment "other than for good cause" when in meant to be unenforceable if the employee ended his employment "for good cause." "Good cause" was narrowly defined.

The employee left for a better job, which was not defined as "good cause." As a result, the agreement could not be enforced.
Posted by chinhoyang
Member since Jun 2011
23703 posts
Posted on 12/18/22 at 12:42 pm to
quote:

They have broad non-competes for physicians. If you want to leave Ochsner you pretty much have to leave the state


You cannot enforce a non-compete agreement for a lawyer. Physicians should have the same rule.

I was involved in case where the physician had a broad non-compete. We were defending the physician. He was the only physician in town who could perform a particular type of pediatric surgery. It was a very critical type of surgery (life-saving). The Court enforced the agreement against the physician.

The case ultimately resolved itself. I believe the entity enforcing the agreement realized the horrific optics of some child dying because no one in town could perform that type of surgery.
Posted by coonass27
shreveport
Member since Mar 2008
3620 posts
Posted on 12/18/22 at 2:17 pm to
I hate the companies that do this as part of an acquisition of another company. My small company was bought by a big company like 12 years ago. We never had non competes. But sure enough they had everyone sign some sort of non compete. Was very open ended and was only a couple lines. If we didn’t sign it we didn’t have a job. Not sure how that would hold up if at all or for how long but I would think there has to be a statute of limitations.
Posted by Cymry Teigr
Member since Sep 2012
2109 posts
Posted on 12/18/22 at 2:40 pm to
quote:

The Non Compete states that I must not seek competitors in the space for 24 months and any state that they currently do business in (40 states) + any state they anticipate doing business in (?). I was in a mid-level Sales Leadership Role that oversaw 6 states.


Depends on the specific wording of your non-compete imho.

For sales oriented positions prohibiting an employee from contacting and pursuing prior clients is entirely warranted and standard. Also, I’d assume if it’s a narrow field you’re looking at that any prospective employer will have a similar wording already too. The situation would become murky if the company you’re interviewing with already has a relationship with any of your past contacts and clients too.

As others have wisely said talk to a good attorney because the advice telling you to ignore it and that it’s not enforceable is flat wrong.

I fought one years ago and it dragged on forever.
Posted by HolyBreesus13
NWA
Member since Jul 2013
36 posts
Posted on 12/18/22 at 3:21 pm to
quote:

Did the OP sign anything?


I only signed the Non Compete as part of the Offer Letter in 2020.
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
63354 posts
Posted on 12/18/22 at 3:24 pm to
I'm not sure how anyone could take it seriously when a company fires you and then says don't seek employment doing the thing you're presumably trained to do.

Don't concern yourself with that bullshite and laugh if they threaten to take action.
Posted by Reubaltaich
A nation under duress
Member since Jun 2006
4975 posts
Posted on 12/18/22 at 4:56 pm to
quote:

I have decided to consult with an Attorney but that process is taking forever. Anybody have any advice? Anyone an Attorney? Thanks!


The legal advice you are seeking is from a lawyer that specializes in employment laws in the state of GA?

Just about every lawyer I have dealt with is slow as molasses.

Unless you have OT $$ to throw at a lawyer, its most likely your situation will take a while for a response.

With it being Christmas time, a lot of them will probably kick back off after the New Year.

quote:

*In Georgia


Start out by researching a few case laws in the state of GA that pertains to your specific situation while you are waiting for your lawyer to respond.

Good luck and let us know how it turns out.
Posted by chinhoyang
Member since Jun 2011
23703 posts
Posted on 12/18/22 at 5:15 pm to
quote:

Start out by researching a few case laws in the state of GA that pertains to your specific situation while you are waiting for your lawyer to respond.


Lawyers who know what they are doing love clients who have "researched" the issue. He needs to see a Georgia employment law lawyer. If someone has the experience, he or she can give an opinion about the validity and scope of the non-compete. An employment lawyer will almost always be up to date on the non-compete cases.

If the lawyer cannot meet with you and give that kind of advice on the agreement, the lawyer's not experienced in the employment agreement field.



























































































































































































































































































Posted by Reubaltaich
A nation under duress
Member since Jun 2006
4975 posts
Posted on 12/18/22 at 5:46 pm to
quote:

Lawyers who know what they are doing love clients who have "researched" the issue. He needs to see a Georgia employment law lawyer. If someone has the experience, he or she can give an opinion about the validity and scope of the non-compete. An employment lawyer will almost always be up to date on the non-compete cases.


The first lawyer I used started naming all these legal terms, this law and that law, all these Latin terms used in courts and on legal documents.

I had almost NO idea what this person was referring to at the time.

The reason I say that is so a person who is seeking legal advice will have at least a basic understanding of what is going on in relation to their specific case.

I am in no way saying nor advocating that the average lay-person should take on a legal case by themselves. There are too many laws and other by-laws one will not be aware of.

As one of my business law professors told me years ago, 'legal advice is cheap and worth every penny.'








Posted by ToroTiger
Member since Dec 2014
176 posts
Posted on 12/18/22 at 8:54 pm to
Agree with many posters about the dubious advice in this thread. If properly drafted, it could be enforceable even if laid off. Even in Louisiana. Consult an attorney who handles noncompete and nonsolicitation matters. Don’t rely on advice from friends, family, (dare I say it) the OT, or attorneys with no experience in this unique field.
Posted by Hopeful Doc
Member since Sep 2010
15039 posts
Posted on 12/18/22 at 11:15 pm to
quote:

Ochsner is evil.



They’re certainly a lot prouder of their “standards” and “The Ochsner Way” than they should be.

I’ll never be employed.

If I can help it, I’ll never be treated in an Ochsner facility, either.
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