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Posted on 12/13/22 at 1:07 pm
Posted by Jax-Tiger
Port Saint Lucie, FL
Member since Jan 2005
24819 posts
Posted on 12/13/22 at 1:07 pm
What is the problem with this? It prevents someone from running just to prevent another candidate from winning. For example, if Liz Cheney were to run just to prevent Trump from winning.

If we had ranked choice voting in 1992, we very well may have never had a President Clinton...
Posted by armsdealer
Member since Feb 2016
11537 posts
Posted on 12/13/22 at 1:13 pm to
It really is the only way to break the uniparty but the "left" and the "right" don't like it because it might actually bring some change.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
101732 posts
Posted on 12/13/22 at 1:13 pm to
quote:

If we had ranked choice voting in 1992, we very well may have never had a President Clinton...




We wouldn't have had him if HW Bush had just actually adhered to what he ran on and the groundwork established by his predecessor.

Ranked choice makes it easy not to have to hold people like HW's feet to the fire. It is nothing but a gift to the spineless wishy-washy types in Washington.
Posted by Eli Goldfinger
Member since Sep 2016
32785 posts
Posted on 12/13/22 at 1:17 pm to
Look at Alaska
Posted by efrad
Member since Nov 2007
18651 posts
Posted on 12/13/22 at 1:27 pm to
In all of these threads, nobody on this board seems to be able to articulate what's wrong with Ranked Choice Voting other than their preferred candidates have lost in some Ranked Choice Voting election.

Only remotely reasonable argument I've heard is that if someone cheats the election, it's more data and a more complicated process, so it could be easier to obfuscate the cheating.

IMO it would create a situation much more representative to the will of the people. First Past the Post elections aren't. Obviously, this depends on the election being legitimately run.
Posted by Snipe
Member since Nov 2015
11033 posts
Posted on 12/13/22 at 1:32 pm to
quote:

Ranked Choice voting...
What is the problem with this?


Easy answer is

If the left is in favor of it then it's terrible for the country. Whatever they are saying about it it will do exactly the opposite.
Posted by LSUFANMICK
Colorado Springs
Member since Sep 2009
1226 posts
Posted on 12/13/22 at 1:47 pm to


It's just another way to steal elections
Posted by Wednesday
Member since Aug 2017
15510 posts
Posted on 12/13/22 at 1:58 pm to
It dilutes votes.
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
19812 posts
Posted on 12/13/22 at 2:03 pm to
The more complicated a system is makes it more easily manipulated.
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
42930 posts
Posted on 12/13/22 at 2:12 pm to
In principle I like it.

HOWEVER - I could not support it unless there were provisions made to prevent "gaming" the system.

For instance - IF you run in the GOP primary and lose - then you SHALL NOT run as something else in the General Election.

Also - you must have declared your 'party' preference and been actively involved in that party's activities for some significant time PRIOR to filing to run as 'that party'

I can think of several other scenarios too difficult to put into a few words.

Bottom Line:
= IF we had honorable participants, no rules would be necessary.
= if we do NOT have honorable participants, we should be careful with 'new' procedures.
Posted by Big Bruce
Member since Nov 2022
72 posts
Posted on 12/13/22 at 2:12 pm to
Some voters votes are counted more than once. If their fist choice candidate is not in the top two then their second or third place candidate gets their vote.
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
68482 posts
Posted on 12/13/22 at 2:16 pm to
quote:

If we had ranked choice voting in 1992, we very well may have never had a President Clinton...


I agree.

RCV can cut both ways.

I don't hate the concept but it would have to be done with computers.

I want a human based system.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
41824 posts
Posted on 12/13/22 at 2:16 pm to
I think RCV is actually worse than what we have now.

As uninformed as voters are today, imagine having to rank candidates that you wouldn't normally care about. Not only does an informed voter consider his or her own preferred candidate and potentially that of their opponent, but now they have to look into the views and positions of all others on the ballot in order to make an informed choice. Good luck getting informed votes from that when so many are too lazy to even look into anything beyond the R or D next to someone's name.

And what happens if you decide to only rank one or two candidates? Well in the end, your ballot can be completely thrown out if who you voted for didn't make the cut for the final count. You can have ballot exhaustion (where people don't vote for every possible candidate), and that could result in the winner not even having a majority support of the voters. What RCV can do is result in winners of elections that don't actually have any real support.

No thanks.
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
67517 posts
Posted on 12/13/22 at 2:41 pm to
quote:

What is the problem with this?

It's not a representative Government and the concept of 1 person, 1 vote....it's 1 person, a part of a vote
Posted by Timeoday
Easter Island
Member since Aug 2020
9178 posts
Posted on 12/13/22 at 2:46 pm to
I see what you did there. Clinton was not ever popular and needed 3rd party candidates so you use him as the example.
Posted by immobileman
nowhere in particular
Member since Nov 2014
1852 posts
Posted on 12/13/22 at 3:24 pm to
quote:

What is the problem with this?


Because it's rank. The winner in a typical vote would possibly/probably lose.
Posted by Hayekian serf
GA
Member since Dec 2020
2634 posts
Posted on 12/13/22 at 6:46 pm to
I am all for ranked choice voting
Posted by Snipe
Member since Nov 2015
11033 posts
Posted on 12/14/22 at 6:23 am to
Why couldn’t/shouldn’t states implement a system similar to the electoral college within their state to similarly level the playing field across the state instead of densely populated cities deciding elections for the whole state.

I mean I know why democrats would never be for it. But could it be a realistic solution
Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
Bat'n Rudge
Member since Oct 2004
57450 posts
Posted on 12/14/22 at 3:54 pm to
If states allocated their electoral votes based on Congressional districts (as opposed to winner-take-all for 48/50 states) we could never have another Democrat president.
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