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re: Trying more to understand this fumble non recovery
Posted on 11/6/22 at 6:58 am to lsu711
Posted on 11/6/22 at 6:58 am to lsu711
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Compare last night’s play and the Kellen Mond play and tell me there isn’t intentional ambiguity in the rulebook to control outcomes.
One hand on top of the ball for a split second versus 2 hands on either side of the ball for a touch longer than a split second.
Big difference, KM originally possessed the ball, fumbled it, then repossessed it.
Last night, ball was fumbled. If he is possessing the ball then the whistle would blow the play dead and LSU would attain possession.
That is never the case with a fumbled ball. If the situation was the same in the middle of the field (away from the sidelines) and as the LSU player placed two hands on the ball, a bama player fell on the ball and pulled the ball into his chest, who does the possession go to?
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Posted on 11/6/22 at 7:28 am to BigDropper
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If a player has possession and fumbles then simply touches the ball uncontested with a knee down. The ball is ruled dead. Because it was uncontested the touch was the moment possession was reestablished and downed and the clock is stopped there.
In a contested situation like last night, until someone has reestablished possession (at the discretion of the ref) the ball is live. A player out of bounds touching a live ball on the ground makes it a dead ball. That player should also be penalized for illegal touching, but the original possession is maintained but should have been with a penalty.
I think LSU had possession and was down the moment he grabbed it with both hands with a knee down. That was the call on the field. I saw nothing incontrovertible to overturn it.
Ala-possessed
Ala-fumbled
LSU-possessed(my opinion)
Ala-touched while out of bounds causing LSU to fumble and making the ball dead.
LSU was the last to posses.
LSU ball with Ala penalty for illegal touching.
What happened?
They found a way to reverse a clear fumble recovery.
These rules are open to the refs taking advantage of the specific moment that is a judgement call.
quote:
Big difference, KM originally possessed the ball, fumbled it, then repossessed it.
If a player has possession and fumbles then simply touches the ball uncontested with a knee down. The ball is ruled dead. Because it was uncontested the touch was the moment possession was reestablished and downed and the clock is stopped there.
In a contested situation like last night, until someone has reestablished possession (at the discretion of the ref) the ball is live. A player out of bounds touching a live ball on the ground makes it a dead ball. That player should also be penalized for illegal touching, but the original possession is maintained but should have been with a penalty.
I think LSU had possession and was down the moment he grabbed it with both hands with a knee down. That was the call on the field. I saw nothing incontrovertible to overturn it.
Ala-possessed
Ala-fumbled
LSU-possessed(my opinion)
Ala-touched while out of bounds causing LSU to fumble and making the ball dead.
LSU was the last to posses.
LSU ball with Ala penalty for illegal touching.
What happened?
They found a way to reverse a clear fumble recovery.
These rules are open to the refs taking advantage of the specific moment that is a judgement call.
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