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re: Today is the 160th anniversary of the bloodiest day in American history...
Posted on 9/17/22 at 9:38 am to RollTide1987
Posted on 9/17/22 at 9:38 am to RollTide1987
Biggest mistake of the war was Lee trying to go on the offensive.
I think had the south beefed up it’s defenses and just tried to repel the union whenever they invaded the south would have held on and won. Union would have grown weary because many of them were less enthusiastic about the war anyways. We didn’t have the manpower to spare for an offensive campaign. When it failed, there wasn’t enough left to defend our crucial infrastructure
I think had the south beefed up it’s defenses and just tried to repel the union whenever they invaded the south would have held on and won. Union would have grown weary because many of them were less enthusiastic about the war anyways. We didn’t have the manpower to spare for an offensive campaign. When it failed, there wasn’t enough left to defend our crucial infrastructure
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Posted on 9/17/22 at 9:58 am to TaderSalad
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Look at all that white privilege laying dead to end slavery.
I’ve said many times that people that genuinely believe in reparations have no idea the cost that this country already paid in that war. Of course, reparations is mostly just about pandering and more division.
This post was edited on 9/17/22 at 9:59 am
Posted on 9/17/22 at 9:59 am to SRV
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I’ve said many times that people that genuinely believe in reparations have no idea the cost that this country already paid in that war. Of course, reparations is mostly just about greed, pandering and more division.
FIFY
Posted on 9/17/22 at 10:14 am to chinhoyang
That too
Posted on 9/17/22 at 10:15 am to El Segundo Guy
Absolutely the South is still paying for it today. And the decision to continue to segregate and terrorize blacks for decades after has resulted in a black culture of crime and poverty that is a cancer destroying the South.
Posted on 9/17/22 at 10:24 am to PetroBabich
Antietam is a beautiful, remarkably well preserved battleground. It hasn't been commercialized to the extent that Gettysburg has. If you are ever in that area, definitely go see it. And if possible, go see it this time of year.
My wife's great grandfather survived the Sunken Road and other battles in his four years spent marching with the Army of Northern Virginia.
My wife's great grandfather survived the Sunken Road and other battles in his four years spent marching with the Army of Northern Virginia.
Posted on 9/17/22 at 10:25 am to RollTide1987
One of my college papers was on Antietam. What a massacre of humanity.
Posted on 9/17/22 at 10:35 am to Sammobile
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I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races, that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied every thing. I do not understand that because I do not want a negro woman for a slave I must necessarily want her for a wife.
Mr. A. Lincoln
Posted on 9/17/22 at 10:37 am to liz18lsu
I mean he was still a politician, also good people learn from their mistakes.
Posted on 9/17/22 at 10:40 am to liz18lsu
So you've proven that Lincoln was no abolitionist or believer in the equality of whites and blacks - which was the opinion of a vast majority of Americans in those days. Only a small minority of people believed white and blacks to be equal partners in this game we like to call life.
However, Lincoln was very much against the institution of slavery but, as has been mentioned before in this thread, was very much a pragmatist who understood his people better than they themselves. He knew when to put his cards down on the table and when to keep them close to the vest.
However, Lincoln was very much against the institution of slavery but, as has been mentioned before in this thread, was very much a pragmatist who understood his people better than they themselves. He knew when to put his cards down on the table and when to keep them close to the vest.
Posted on 9/17/22 at 10:57 am to El Segundo Guy
I think through today’s lens the South was correct on the issue of a weakened federal government. So many issues we have today would not be as bad if we let states decide for themselves the way it was intended. It was the South that was fighting for the original vision of the country. This concept has nothing to do with slavery in and of itself. That happened to be a catalyst at the time.
Posted on 9/17/22 at 11:02 am to RollTide1987
My great-great-grandfather was a sergeant in the 38th Georgia. They went into the cornfield and he was one of many who didn't come out again after receiving heavy artillery fire. After taking severe losses, the 38th was pulled back and replaced by Hays' Tigers, IIRC.
Posted on 9/17/22 at 11:31 am to Rambler
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My great-great-grandfather was a sergeant in the 38th Georgia. They went into the cornfield and he was one of many who didn't come out again after receiving heavy artillery fire. After taking severe losses, the 38th was pulled back and replaced by Hays' Tigers, IIRC.
Are you sure he wasn't in the 18th Georgia? The primary fighting in Miller's cornfield was by Hood's Texas Brigade, to which the 18th was the only attached Georgia unit. My great-great-grandfather was in the Texans, which on that day suffered the highest casualty rate of any American unit ever, with 83 percent of the engaged soldiers either killed or wounded. My GGGF was wounded and survived to be wounded again at Gettysburg.
Posted on 9/17/22 at 11:42 am to RollTide1987
Not a soldier on either side gave a damn about the slaves. The union soldiers were fighting to preserve the union. The southern soldiers were fighting, in their opinion, the second revolutionary war or, as one put it, “I’m fighting cause you’re here.“ (thank you, Shelby Foote”)..
Lincoln had to issue the emancipation proclamation for a number of reasons not the least of which was to discourage intervention by England or France. Again, it had nothing to do with freeing the slaves. In fact, by its own terms it only applied to the states in rebellion i.e. where it had no effect.
Have a Dixie day.
Lincoln had to issue the emancipation proclamation for a number of reasons not the least of which was to discourage intervention by England or France. Again, it had nothing to do with freeing the slaves. In fact, by its own terms it only applied to the states in rebellion i.e. where it had no effect.
Have a Dixie day.
This post was edited on 9/17/22 at 11:44 am
Posted on 9/17/22 at 11:43 am to deltaland
quote:The fighting in the Shenandoah valley was depriving the people of necessary food. The blockade of the South was starting to have a huge impact. He was (somewhat) forced to go on the offensive in order to relieve the conditions of Southerners.
Biggest mistake of the war was Lee trying to go on the offensive.
Posted on 9/17/22 at 11:51 am to RollTide1987
A bit of trivia:
A member of Hood's Texas Brigade from Houston was Sgt. Russell C. Mitchell, who was wounded at Antietam. Afterwards, he was detailed to a hospital in Atlanta for the duration of the hostilities, and remained there after the war. His first hand accounts of the evacuation of Atlanta and the conditions in that city induced his granddaughter to write a famous Civil War novel - "Gone With The Wind", by Margaret Mitchell.
A member of Hood's Texas Brigade from Houston was Sgt. Russell C. Mitchell, who was wounded at Antietam. Afterwards, he was detailed to a hospital in Atlanta for the duration of the hostilities, and remained there after the war. His first hand accounts of the evacuation of Atlanta and the conditions in that city induced his granddaughter to write a famous Civil War novel - "Gone With The Wind", by Margaret Mitchell.
Posted on 9/17/22 at 11:52 am to Wolfhound45
Reportedly, it was also Lee’s hope that if he could, somehow, threaten Washington the union would withdraw troops from the South to defend their capital. Again, this would relieve pressure on the south and might provide motivation for a political solution.
Posted on 9/17/22 at 12:12 pm to PhantomMenace
Yes, 38th under Lawton/Douglas. I'm not an expert on Sharpsburg and deduced the Cornfield part based on the Brigade movements on the first day since he was recorded as killed on the 17th.
Posted on 9/17/22 at 12:19 pm to RollTide1987
That battle was a huge victory for us, because the South could not replace those losses, while the North could. It’s a shame so many people had to suffer and die.
Posted on 9/17/22 at 1:32 pm to Penrod
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That battle was a huge victory for us
What regiment were you in?
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