re: Lord of the Rings: Rings of Power trailers (updated with new comic con trailer)

Trailer looked better than I anticipated.
Still have many doubts.

Saw some Silmarillion in there, and a bunch of filler.

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Trailer looked better than I anticipated.

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What looked good? Seriously. Wheel of Time, maybe. Not Tolkien's Middle Earth.

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He made so many creative mistakes. I get the studio wanted 3 movies, but ok make each of them an hour and a half.

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He did, but I just look at him like a great general who was simply overwhelmed at his last stand. He was going to lose regardless, but he made an extremely valiant effort. Got to respect the effort though.

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Yes they do.

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I don’t see why. You start the Prologue with the Two Trees and end it with the planting of the White Tree of Nimloth. Yeah, just explain the Vow of Fëanor, the shite that went from there, Earendill’s tale, and you’re good.

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The Prologue or introduction will draw from lore, but it's going to be something written. It could be taken as an oral history from a tribe of hobbits (halflings), it could have Elrond or Galadriel narrating, hell it COULD have one of the Blue Wizards telling Easterlings of the deeds in the West. We just don't know.

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That’s Third Age, dude.

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This won't and should not resemble LOTR. It's a far different time, different settings. The Elves will be weaker than the First Age, but still far more powerful and established than any Third Age period.

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Then why does Galadriel have a sword?

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The forces of Morgoth will be interesting; they're depleted but not gone. There should be some remnants of the lesser Dragons that escaped, and Moria stood as a Dwarve realm since the First Age

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The dragons never joined with Sauron.

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how a Balrog enters it remains a question.

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That happened in the Third Age.

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You misspelled "representative"

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Those are the superfans not the show runners. Lord of the Rings fans flipped their shite over that, so they did bring in a bunch of Tolkien nerds to see the first few minutes. It’s not the first few minutes I’m concerned about, but the overall subtext.

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The forces of Morgoth will be interesting; they're depleted but not gone. There should be some remnants of the lesser Dragons that escaped, and Moria stood as a Dwarve realm since the First Age

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The dragons never joined with Sauron.

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So?
Do they, or do they not, cause problems in the North? Do they end up consuming some of the 7 Dwarven Rings?

Note- the Dragons are relics of the First Age, they did not spring into existence randomly with Smaug. They clearly exist in the Second Age, simply because Smaug survived into the Third Age.

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how a Balrog enters it remains a question.

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That happened in the Third Age.

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Again, Durin reigned in Khazad-Dum during the First Age, while the Balrogs were in Utumno and then Angband.
The Dwarves held that city the whole time.

The concept that the Dwarves 'delved too deep' makes no sense. The Balrog fled the wrath of the Valar at the end of the First Age, and somehow came to this spot in the Misty Mountains long after the Dwarves did. Unless it travelled via subterranean paths, THEN the 'digging' could be an issue.

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This won't and should not resemble LOTR. It's a far different time, different settings. The Elves will be weaker than the First Age, but still far more powerful and established than any Third Age period.

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Then why does Galadriel have a sword?

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You misunderstand me.

When I say "powerful", I'm talking about having kingdoms. They ruled most of Beleriand, of which only a tiny eastern edge survives (whatever lands lie west of the Blue Mountains).

In the Second Age, they still rule openly known kingdoms in Eriador. You had Lindon on the Western side (including the remaining shreds of Beleriand), you had the realm where Celebrimbor set up (Eregion, or Hollin) by the Misty Mountains.
Galadriel and the other surviving Noldor who did not return West- they had taken up arms when they left for Middle Earth. They have not yet submitted to the will of the Valar, why in the world would they lay their arms down now? They simply moved East to continue to try to have their own kingdoms.
When I say they were more powerful then, I'm referring to kingdoms. In the Third Age, you have a couple hidden pockets.

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The Prologue or introduction will draw from lore, but it's going to be something written. It could be taken as an oral history from a tribe of hobbits (halflings), it could have Elrond or Galadriel narrating, hell it COULD have one of the Blue Wizards telling Easterlings of the deeds in the West. We just don't know.

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That’s Third Age, dude.

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Who's to say this whole thing isn't presented as 'a story'? As long as it's after the events stated, it could be TOLD at any time.

Halflings exist in the First and Second Ages, they simply never were worth mentioning. They're mortal and not Dwarves, so that leaves a tribe of Men, not the Edain, or even those who served Morgoth. They're probably the Man equivalent of the Avari, a little tribe that did it's best to stay away from everyone else. They didn't move West to avoid the wars early on, but eventually moved away from the East for the exact same reason.

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You got this upset as soon as you saw a black dwarf.

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This is all they really are mad about, but are to weak to come out and actually say it. But they'll talk around it and down vote annomisly in mass, when called on it. Just fricking say it lol! The original LOTR was fantastic a classic. But to act as if it was 100% true to Tolkiens vision, is asinine. Hell most I would expect haven't even read them, much less The Silmarillion!

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Halflings exist in the First and Second Ages, they simply never were worth mentioning. They're mortal and not Dwarves, so that leaves a tribe of Men, not the Edain, or even those who served Morgoth.

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You don’t know this. I think Sauron knowing nothing about them until he captured Gollum points to them starting in the Third Age. There’s no evidence whatsoever they were in the First and Second Ages. Again, I think the implication from Tolkien that Hobbits were only allowed to happen after Sauron’s defeat.

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Strongly disagree.

The Hobbits are a variant of men, just as the Pukel-men are. They are NOT another, independent race; not the way you would classify the Children of Illuvatar (Elves and Men), and the Dwarves (the creation of Aule), and the Ents (the sentient guardians of the forest desired by Yavanna).
The Fourth Age is the Time of Men, and is ushered in by the actions of the least of them, the little guys (specifically Frodo and Smeagol).
They knew little of their history before the settling of the Shire, which happened after the fall of Arnor, but Smeagol's clan was in the Anduin valley when he found the Ring.
They are initially described as very stealthy and secretive, but not possessing of any magic. An avoidance of Big Troubles would seem quite wise, as they aren't big hardy warriors. Makes perfect sense that they would linger behind while the big houses of Men went to war in Beleriand; but would drift away when first Morgoth, then later Sauron began actively getting involved in their birthlands. They hit the Shire after Arnor is deserted, Agmar is gone, the Elves are fairly nearby... just an area of relative safety that was once cultivated.

The fact that Sauron knows nothing of them, in my opinion, makes it clear they AREN'T a unique race. He's fully aware of all the races, just as Melkor was. They were both present during the Ainulindalë.

They are, quite simply, the most humble and modest of Men, and their signature lack of stature was bred away as Merry and Pippin's offspring entered the gene pool.

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don’t see how your post if anything doesn’t prove my point. I mean, that’s my argument why they rose in the Third Age.

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I said they were always there, you said they weren't.

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You don’t know this. I think Sauron knowing nothing about them until he captured Gollum points to them starting in the Third Age. There’s no evidence whatsoever they were in the First and Second Ages. Again, I think the implication from Tolkien that Hobbits were only allowed to happen after Sauron’s defeat.

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What I took that to mean, is they don't EXIST before the Third Age; that their kind only appeared after The Last Alliance.

I will submit, they existed back into the First Age, they just never did shite. They shunned contact with the larger Edain, perhaps out of fear. In staying away from everyone else, they avoided some of the calamities that hit other groups of Men. Until they settled in the Shire, they never had enough ties to any land, that they were noticed for it. Never had anything Sauron coveted, etc.

Trailer blows arse. I was so disappointed in wheel of time. People love these IPs because of the story. Galadriel is not a sword wielding warrior who lead armies. That is just not what Tolkien wrote for her character in the Simorillian.