re: This Ulvade police press conference is awful

I've said this for a long time. Small city police departments have small budgets so they are pretty much limited to whatever they can get. They don't get the same level of training as a parish or county officer. In many cases, some of them have the very minimum training.

I know the parish I live in, each city police department's budget comes from the parish (I assume its like that in all states?). There are small towns that has a chief of police and maybe 2 officers and maybe a part time officer.

Their budget pays for the chief of police's salary, the deputies salary, I assume for office supplies, and whatever else. These small towns have very little crime. So instead of giving a small town's police department a budget, why not do away with the small town's police department and give the sheriff's department that budget.

They can hire two more deputies that will be better trained. Deputies are all assigned to different parts of the parish and in the smaller towns, if something does happen in which the police is needed, there are sheriff's deputies already close by so these small town police departments only exist because "that's how its always been".

Sheriffs departments already have more resources than the small city/town police, so if they got the money that is given to these small town departments, they can use it to have even more (or better) resources.

I know if there was an active shooter within the city limits where I live, I would not have that much faith in the city police. They screw up wreck scenes and wreck reports. There was a wreck close to my house awhile back. A man was coming down the road in a truck and a school bus was coming from the opposite direct. He had either a minor heart attack or a stroke or something, but his truck started going into the other lane. The bus was stopped at the stop sign and the truck ran into the bus.

The city cops were just directing traffic. When I went outside to see what was going on I could hear the city deputies talking and they would comment every time a car came by.. I could hear one say shite like "that bitch looked at me all crazy. I wish she would stop and ask me something, I'd tell her about her fricking self".. So I am guessing these cops were not the brightest.

They have probably heard it a million times from their chief "don't do anything unless I tell you to do it!". If they had the instinct it takes to go in and stop that a-hole then the probably wouldn't be working as a city deputy.

That's where changes need to be made. Stop wasting money paying useless half arse trained cops, do away with the smaller departments and let the sheriffs department police these areas.

They get 40% of the town budget

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My guess is Matthew McConaughey.

Uvalde is his hometown.

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I didn’t know that, but I’m betting y’all are right.

He had a very heartfelt post on his Instagram the day of the shooting and he mentioned that Uvalde is where he grew up.

And here’s the real fricking hero here, who has more balls than 150 cops combined:

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I am 50 years old and I have seen a lot of shite in my time on this planet, but I’ve never seen a press conference that left me this speechless. The sane and logical side of me wants to give them at least some benefit of the doubt that it was a chaotic scene unlike anything they had ever seen. But the realistic side of me says you never assume children are safe in that situation and you move Heaven and earth to ensure their safety, especially when you keep hearing gunshots.

We will never know the true number that died due to law enforcement’s inaction, and I’m sure that will haunt the parents the rest of their lives.

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The Spleen

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First of all, holy shite you're 50?!?

Second, this is probably the first post of yours that I've ever upvoted.

I've been stopping myself from commenting on this whole thing for a couple reasons; first, I wanted more facts to come out before rushing to judgement and figured there was no way the officers on scene just sat idly while this was going on. I assumed that they were maybe treating it as a hostage situation and trying to stand the shooter down.

Then more and more came to light and it sounds like they KNEW he was in there firing his weapon(s) multiple times, therefore ending my hostage theory. Then it came to light that there were officers IN the school at the classroom door, but they waited to breach for some reason.

The second reason I've been hesitant to comment is that I'm in law enforcement myself, and there tends to be reasons unbeknownst to the public that certain actions are taken or protocols enacted. It's easy to armchair QB with hindsight, it's a whole different ballgame when you're there in person and it's total chaos with death and bullets flying everywhere. Because of this I was willing to give the responding LEO the benefit of the doubt when it comes to everyone questioning their response.

But now...

It seems like they just royally fricked this up. I'm a US Marshal and this kind of situation isn't what we're trained for and isn't our strong suit, but I wholeheartedly feel like I would've taken MUCH different actions had I been on the scene. I know I couldn't have stood idly by while hearing multiple gunshots coming from inside a classroom or the school itself, it would've killed me to wait.

I'm not 100% sure what the hell was going on or who was calling the shots on scene, but they should've let any LEO that wanted to go in have at it (in teams of course). I can't speak for other officers, but I know the ones I work with wouldn't have stayed back and done essentially nothing. We'd be inside giving our best attempt to breach the door ASAP since there's innocent children and gunshots trapped inside.

On a different note, y'all can stop throwing the "150 officers on scene!" number around as a gotcha, because I guarantee 90% of those were simply there after the shooting took place in order to secure the area and for crowd control. There was probably less than 1/3rd of that actually there when the shooter was active, but you're still talking a 30-50 officer vs. 1 shooter situation.

My mind is boggled by this whole response, I don't understand it at all and I would've been right there alongside that off duty BORTAC agent had I been nearby. I would've beat him to the punch had I been nearby and got the call earlier than him.

It's that feeling I have in my gut where I know myself and the people I work with every day would've done everything we can to save those kids, even if it meant kicking the door down in our workout gear and flip flops, that really puzzles me as to these officers' thoughts and actions. Its easy to armchair QB with hindsight but when it comes to kids, that should awaken something different in an officer of the law and someone charged with protecting the innocent. I just don't get it.

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Who is this?

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An off duty border control agent who had enough of this shite from the cowards and killed the shooter.

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the guy who killed the shooter

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That’s the BORTAC agent? I didn’t know that had come out.

I was thinking a picture that labeled the Border agents at the scene had them in uniform under gear, but Daily Mail or whoever was might have pick some in gear to have a picture when mentioning the unit.

A culture of risk aversion is part of the problem. People are so damn risk averse to the point of pathology.