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re: It's Happening!!! The St. George trial started Monday, May 2. Media stopped covering 5/10.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 11:44 am to TeddyPadillac
Posted on 5/3/22 at 11:44 am to TeddyPadillac
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You know this for a fact are you just assuming?
The plaintiffs have themselves admitted to a budget shortfall.
What exactly are you arguing?
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Posted on 5/3/22 at 11:47 am to johnnyrocket
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build canals along bayou fountain to pump stations over the Miss River levee.
Bayou Fountain flows towards the Amite
Posted on 5/3/22 at 11:47 am to moneyg
Agreed, but from what I have seen the North LA politicians will try to kill that.
One of my in laws is big in north LA politics and ran a failed gubernatorial campaign in the 90s.
Having never met me before, he grilled me on Jindal’s then new voucher program and how horrible it was since public schools did so much for everyone in the state.
Having to explain that I went to private schools because of how fricked up metro areas in south LA are got him off on a tangent about why north LA shouldn’t have to do that shite because of south LA problems.
One of my in laws is big in north LA politics and ran a failed gubernatorial campaign in the 90s.
Having never met me before, he grilled me on Jindal’s then new voucher program and how horrible it was since public schools did so much for everyone in the state.
Having to explain that I went to private schools because of how fricked up metro areas in south LA are got him off on a tangent about why north LA shouldn’t have to do that shite because of south LA problems.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 12:02 pm to Tigerpride18
Great, then shut the F up!
Posted on 5/3/22 at 12:04 pm to sahikojones
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Do you think the lawsuit would be happening if the sales tax generated in St. George was only being spent on St. George and not going into the City of BR's general fund for city services?
The lawsuit's premise is that by removing the sales tax money from being used by the City of BR and letting St. George spend it on St. George, that the city is going to be irrevocably damaged. Their own testimony is that it's going to reduce city budgets by 20% including the BRPD.
and i get that. But i'm not paying property taxes that are going towards services that i don't get back.
And i will say that i don't believe any figures of money or percentages from either side are close to being factual. Both sides are bending the truth to make their side look better.
Where's this $44M number coming from and why is it significant, b/c it sounds like it's including areas that will still be giving their sales tax back to EBR, not St. George? I know $44M sounds like a lot, but when you are operating on a $1B budget, that 4% isn't that big of a number anymore.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 12:08 pm to TeddyPadillac
Pull up the city parish budget and look at where the sweeps are from unincorporated area sales tax to the parish general fund.
Sales tax is broken down by municipality so anything counted as unincorporated has a high percentage, but not 100%, chance of coming from St George due to how much of the remaining unincorporated areas are going into the city.
And given where most commercial businesses are in that area, too.
Sales tax is broken down by municipality so anything counted as unincorporated has a high percentage, but not 100%, chance of coming from St George due to how much of the remaining unincorporated areas are going into the city.
And given where most commercial businesses are in that area, too.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 12:11 pm to moneyg
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The plaintiffs have themselves admitted to a budget shortfall.
what does that have to do with what i asked?
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What exactly are you arguing?
i asked a simple question. I showed you my tax assessment, and it has a parish tax. That isn't the same as the general fund millage that doesn't appear on my tax assessment. You just told me that just goes into the general fund and i asked if you know that for a fact. From what i can see, my property taxes aren't being used for services that i don't receive, other than the school system, but that's a personal choice. And you could argue that even if i were using it, that i'm paying a disproportionate amount towards it when you look at what my area is paying and what they are using.
As many of you are pointing out, it has more to do with sales taxes, not property taxes, so just clearing that up and thanks for explaining that.
I'm not trying to argue that EBR is running an efficient operation. They are one of the most inefficient run gov't entities in the country, and there's reports that back that up.
I'm just trying to get some facts straight, and not just throw statements and numbers out there that are misleading, regardless of what side those numbers fall on.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 12:21 pm to TeddyPadillac
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You just told me that just goes into the general fund
I certainly did not.
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i asked if you know that for a fact
you certainly did not
Posted on 5/3/22 at 12:26 pm to TeddyPadillac
It’s obvious you haven’t been following this closely and you don’t understand how things work.
Here is what the mayor is saying, not me:
As for vehicle purchases, the local sales tax goes to where the purchaser lives and it doesn’t matter where the dealership in La. is located.
You seem to not care that we pay a considerable amount of taxes and get little in return. That’s fine, but others do.
Do you not care that we voted on this incorporation deal and it’s been almost four years and the vote has been ignored? That 176 million dollars in taxes has been taken ftom SG and we have littkd to show for it?
ETA:
From page 346 of the 2022 CP budget:
General Fund Sources-
City Taxes 167 M (rounded off)
Parish Taxes 107 M
Industrial Area Revenues 13M
Other 38M
Funds from prior years 1.8M
Here is what the mayor is saying, not me:
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However, the mayor’s team argued Baton Rouge would take a massive financial blow, claiming nearly $44 million would be lost in taxes and that lost money would need to be taken out of the general fund for services. It would affect services like building crews, transportation, drainage, and street maintenance.
As for vehicle purchases, the local sales tax goes to where the purchaser lives and it doesn’t matter where the dealership in La. is located.
You seem to not care that we pay a considerable amount of taxes and get little in return. That’s fine, but others do.
Do you not care that we voted on this incorporation deal and it’s been almost four years and the vote has been ignored? That 176 million dollars in taxes has been taken ftom SG and we have littkd to show for it?
ETA:
From page 346 of the 2022 CP budget:
General Fund Sources-
City Taxes 167 M (rounded off)
Parish Taxes 107 M
Industrial Area Revenues 13M
Other 38M
Funds from prior years 1.8M
This post was edited on 5/3/22 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 5/3/22 at 12:31 pm to TBoy
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Brett Furr and Ollie Pierson for EBR. This should be an interesting trial.
They got smart and muzzled Ollie
Posted on 5/3/22 at 12:34 pm to tommy2tone1999
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They got smart and muzzled Ollie
Didn’t know that was possible.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 12:37 pm to sahikojones
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ETA: One of the lawsuit's premises, I should say. But when the Police Chief of BRPD admits on the stand that losing the sales tax generated by St. George is going to cause a 20% reduction in his budget and force layoffs, he's telling you exactly where that money is coming from and where it is going.
Or is he's saying that on the assumption that people will believe the myth that this is a breakaway.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 12:39 pm to tommy2tone1999
Isn't Ollie the whacko lady?
Posted on 5/3/22 at 12:46 pm to wadewilson
Committing perjury for political positioning isn’t a smart move.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 12:48 pm to teke184
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Committing perjury for political positioning isn’t a smart move.
Then again I don't think anyone has ever argued that he's a smart man.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 12:52 pm to doubleb
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You seem to not care that we pay a considerable amount of taxes and get little in return. That’s fine, but others do.
i most certainly do. i just wan to make sure we are stating actual facts, and not CNN facts.
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Do you not care that we voted on this incorporation deal and it’s been almost four years and the vote has been ignored? That 176 million dollars in taxes has been taken ftom SG and we have littkd to show for it?
See this is what i'm talking about. You act like $176M was stolen from us and i just don't believe that number. What does that number even represent specifically?
I have a fire department to show for it, and a sheriff's department, and mosquito control, and everything else that showed up on my property tax assessment.
And i do care.
I want St. George to happen. I signed the petitions and i voted for it.
I just want to understand what all these numbers actually represent. I am more than aware that the City of BR is getting money from the ST George unincorporated area and not proportionally giving back to it, but i don't like when people just throw numbers out there and don't back up what it means or where it came from.
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It’s obvious you haven’t been following this closely and you don’t understand how things work.
no shite, which is why i'm asking questions.
the root of what i'd like to see his how corrupt and inept the BR gov't is and have something done about it. Regardless of St. George happening, and the benefits i'll get from it, i don't benefit by BR becoming more of a shite hole. I still live in "Baton Rouge". I can admit that St. George becoming a city will only make BR suffer, and maybe they deserve it, but I still rely on the city of BR for my daily life, as does everyone else in the new city of St. George. The city of St. George will be the nail in the coffin for Baton Rouge. It'll become shittier than it was before with no hope of improving outside of utilizing LSU
Posted on 5/3/22 at 12:58 pm to sahikojones
Slightly smart enough not to get fired or jailed for shite he pulled at State Police before he got this job.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 12:58 pm to johnnyrocket
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johnnyrocket
GREAT post. Many nails driven in there.
I guess I’m more confident in the city financials than some, because I am pretty close to one of the plaintiffs and he’s given me a good walk through.
This post was edited on 5/3/22 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 5/3/22 at 12:59 pm to jbgleason
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Baton Rouge Police Chief Murphy Paul testified that, after St. George's creation was approved by voters, the city-parish asked all department heads to prepare two budgets: a standstill budget and one contemplating a 20% budget cut.
What other evidence needs to be provided to throw this out?
Sorry I'm just catching up after a busy morning.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 1:01 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Linda Hunt, the city-parish's finance director, testified that $42.5 million, or half of East Baton Rouge Parish's sales taxes, is collected in St. George, which is in the southeastern part of the parish. East Baton Rouge has operated under a consolidated form of government since 1949, something Furr stated and St. George attorney Sheri Morris acknowledged. However, Morris argued, "The services are not the same throughout the parish." St. George proponents are pushing for a new municipality as a means to setting up a new school district and gaining more control over how some of their tax dollars are spent. The proposed city's budget would be built on sales tax revenue generated within its boundaries.
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