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re: RPO and a dream I have.

Posted on 4/27/22 at 3:35 pm to
Posted by LSUNV
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Posted on 4/27/22 at 3:35 pm to
Did you miss 2019? JB didn’t light up the score board with speed
Posted by Fus0623
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Posted on 4/27/22 at 4:41 pm to
I’m always shocked at how many people in here never played a lick of football
Posted by Damathe
Member since Apr 2020
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Posted on 4/27/22 at 5:01 pm to
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The R in RPO gives the QB the ability to hand off to the running back. If he (QB) reads the defense and sees they are playing the RUN, he can withdraw the hand off and Pass the ball. No running the QB is required.
I'm afraid if you run that explanation as it's own thread daily for an entire month there will still be people who don't/don't want to understand.
Posted by Matt225
St. George
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Posted on 4/27/22 at 5:12 pm to
but on Madden I crush it with a running QB.
Posted by Scatback1
Denham
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Posted on 4/27/22 at 5:52 pm to
“weary” (tired)
“wary” (cautious)
“leery” (a close synonym of wary?


Were you suggesting defenses would be tired?
Posted by Tiger1988
Houston
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Posted on 4/27/22 at 6:30 pm to
There is no confusion IF it was purely RPO or Zone Read. Most programs do both if they have a QB that can run. It makes them less predictable.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
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Posted on 4/27/22 at 6:54 pm to
my dream is that people start using dual instead of duel when referring to QB's who can run and pass. It would also be nice if that term only applied to QB's who are adequate passers.
Posted by 5iveEuax4eaux
Member since Jan 2020
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Posted on 4/27/22 at 6:54 pm to
Exactly. The running qb isn't a necessity but it means the defense can't zone in on either read option or RPO. There's always the possibility of both
Posted by sabes que
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Posted on 4/28/22 at 3:20 am to
You added nothing but being petty. Congrats on being a bitch
Posted by IM_4_LSU
Augusta, GA
Member since Mar 2014
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Posted on 4/28/22 at 7:11 am to
People often mistake the RPO for the basic read option. I will say there are many different types of RPO and some do include the QB running the ball. But yes you do not need a running QB in order to run a version of the RPO.
Posted by geauxtigers33
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 4/28/22 at 8:04 am to
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There is no confusion IF it was purely RPO or Zone Read. Most programs do both if they have a QB that can run. It makes them less predictable.



Very rarely is it a zone read with a pass option. Auburn used to do something like this until the refs really started emphasizing O linemen blocking downfield on pass plays.
Posted by WHO_DAT_SP2
Prairieville
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Posted on 4/28/22 at 1:16 pm to
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People confuse RPO with zone read option.


THIS!
Posted by I20goon
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Posted on 4/28/22 at 3:02 pm to
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Very rarely is it a zone read with a pass option. Auburn used to do something like this until the refs really started emphasizing O linemen blocking downfield on pass plays.
While it is possible to have a QB-run option on an RPO there are two simultaneous reasons why it isn't common and don't want (or can't, or shouldn't) do it often:

1. If you are running an RPO, you necessarily are involving the RB- either faking or handing off. And that RB needs to be at the mesh point. One, to do this and then turn and the QB run is a helluva long time static at that mesh point. But most importantly you just took away THE advantage of a read-option which is having +1 blocking at the gap for the QB to run to because that RB is now unable to block (if he could, the fake is going to suck arse and that's not an RPO). You can use the RB as a decoy, as in Malzahn, but that's not an RPO either. That's a zone read with a pass option (probably on a bootleg).

2. You also lose the benefit of causing a key member of the defense being out of position (which is who you are reading) and the hesitation that caused. RPO is quick strike to where the defense vacated- and that is the read. It can be a safety, end, LB, or whomever has control over that zone defensively. But by combining all 3 (RB-run, QB-pass, QB-run) you are going to give the defense too much time to react. Play may still work, but you lost the advantage, reaction time, that the RPO gave you. The beauty of an RPO, without a QB run option, is that you can attack a single zone. You pick somebody and pick on them. If they attack the line of scrimmage, you go over them with the pass; they cover a zone you run with the RB with leverage. You can put a single player, or single gap, in a no win situation. And when they move somebody, pre-snap or post-snap, to help him out of that no win situation you attack the spot they moved from. Which is going to be another type of read more than likely with your WR route trees.

And last but not least, don't forget about the OL. Yes there is the blocking downfield but I'm talking about basic blocking. If you are attacking a zone and a player with the RPO, let's say OLB to the field side- you are either going to run at him with the RB or pass over/beside him. Your OL is also attacking that zone. Presumably you aren't going to plan on running your QB to that zone as a 3rd option... why have a 3rd option going to the same place as your other options- you would just give it to the RB. So now to run the QB he's going somewhere else. But the OL was blocking elsewhere. Running your QB where you don't block is not a recipe for success.
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