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Posted on 4/14/22 at 11:25 am to WDE24
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Im assuming you are black, which means you likely take zero responsibility for your plight.
GTFOH with this BS
You first hombre. People are tired of 13% of the population acting like toddlers who cant control themselves and every last bit of energy society has placing that 13%
Posted on 4/14/22 at 11:26 am to WDE24
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Never is an impractical standard, but even agreeing with your standard, should the officer leave his safety and the safety of the public to chance when a suspect is able to take away an officers weapon? Even if the officer made some mistakes that contributed to the dangerous situation, is he then not allowed to defend himself from a criminal who has taken his weapon?
This is too late. Sometimes it's best to just let the suspect go, impound the vehicle, collect evidence like fingerprints, run them and any other information you may have gathered through data searches to glean information about the suspect - you know, like actual police work.
Just because a suspect bolts doesn't necessarily justify the police escalating the danger to himself and the public.
And considering the taser isn't a "deadly" weapon, I don't think it justifies deadly force.
That all said, I haven't made a call on whether or not the cop should be liable for any wrongdoing in this case, as I didn't have all the facts. I'm mostly responding to the yawns from people who are hearing about yet another citizen killed by the government without due process. I find that totally unacceptable, and not just yawn-worthy.
And thanks for the decent, civil response.
Posted on 4/14/22 at 11:31 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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And considering the taser isn't a "deadly" weapon, I don't think it justifies deadly force.
Lol
Posted on 4/14/22 at 11:31 am to WildTchoupitoulas
Comply and 99.9999% of the time you're golden.....
Posted on 4/14/22 at 11:32 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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This is too late. Sometimes it's best to just let the suspect go, impound the vehicle, collect evidence like fingerprints, run them and any other information you may have gathered through data searches to glean information about the suspect - you know, like actual police work.
And if they let him go, he could become a danger to society. Also, at this point in the video he had his taser. Plus, he won't be easy to apprehend later either. Maybe the guy shouldn't have tried to fight the officer and take his taser?
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And considering the taser isn't a "deadly" weapon, I don't think it justifies deadly force.
He could have incapacitated the cop and taken his gun and shot him. And then who knows what kind of rampage he would have went on after that.
Posted on 4/14/22 at 11:34 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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Sometimes it's best to just let the suspect go
Considering that he was driving a vehicle with mismatched plates, there's reason to believe that the vehicle is stolen.
If you just let the guy go, who's to say that he doesn't try to steal another vehicle and kill someone in the process?
Would you applaud the cop just letting the guy run then?
If there's a chance of anyone getting killed in the process of a crime, I would much rather it be the perp than the cop or an innocent bystander.
Posted on 4/14/22 at 11:35 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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And considering the taser isn't a "deadly" weapon, I don't think it justifies deadly force.
Let's give you a gun and me a tazer and I get to make the first move while you still have your gun holstered. Let's see how deadly the situation can get then.
Posted on 4/14/22 at 11:39 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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Just because a suspect bolts doesn't necessarily justify the police escalating the danger to himself and the public.
You fricking moron, the suspect is escalating when they run.
But of course you place no liability on the actual criminals. God damn, that's stupid.
Posted on 4/14/22 at 11:40 am to WildTchoupitoulas
quote:This is true, but also easier to consider in hindsight. A routine traffic stop turned into a suspect disobeying the initial instruction to remain in the vehicle and then almost immediately fleeing. That places the officer in a position to make a very difficult decision/assessment with zero time. If he doesn’t apprehend the suspect and the suspect is dangerous and goes on to commit a crime, that officer will have a lot for which to answer.
Sometimes it's best to just let the suspect go, impound the vehicle, collect evidence like fingerprints, run them and any other information you may have gathered through data searches to glean information about the suspect - you know, like actual police work. Just because a suspect bolts doesn't necessarily justify the police escalating the danger to himself and the public.
quote:A fleeing suspect that fights with a law enforcement officer and takes his taser clearly poses a threat of immediate serious bodily harm or death. It’s hard to argue otherwise.
And considering the taser isn't a "deadly" weapon, I don't think it justifies deadly force.
quote:Fair enough. I’ve formed an opinion that I’ll readily change if additional information justifies a change.
That all said, I haven't made a call on whether or not the cop should be liable for any wrongdoing in this case, as I didn't have all the facts.
This post was edited on 4/14/22 at 11:42 am
Posted on 4/14/22 at 11:46 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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And considering the taser isn't a "deadly" weapon, I don't think it justifies deadly force.
First of all, a taser can easily kill someone and has before. Therefore the taser itself could even be a deadly weapon in the wrong untrained hands or against someone with a heart condition. Who's to say the suspect lets off the trigger on the taser before he fries the cops insides? There's a reason they require training.
Second, you're being disingenuous as hell by leaving off the potential outcome AFTER the cop is shot with his own taser. You don't think the perp would get the cop's gun after that? Even if there's a CHANCE of that happening you can't allow it as an officer, then it 100% becomes a life threatening situation where the officer has no means to protect himself. Cannot happen.
It's funny you seem to blame everyone and everything but the suspect himself, stepping out of the car and fighting a police officer - and THEN grabbing his taser (which we've already covered is a deadly weapon). Seems like his death would've been 100% avoidable if he just sat in the driver's seat and let the cop approach like normal instead of fighting and escalating it to a deadly situation.
But this will never get through your thick and disingenuous head and you'll continue to blame everyone and everything OTHER than the actual problem.
Posted on 4/14/22 at 11:55 am to RedHawk
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And if they let him go, he could become a danger to society.
Anybody can become a danger to society - even you. That not sufficient to be killed by the state without due process.
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at this point in the video he had his taser.
The cop never should have let the man get a hold of his taser. His training was so far below standard to not only put the suspects life in danger, but the cop's as well. Our police need better training.
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He could have incapacitated the cop and taken his gun and shot him.
He could have. That's why the cop should never had let him get a hold of ANY of his weapons. They need to be trained on how to not let suspects get your taser, sidearm, nightstick, or whatever.
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And then who knows what kind of rampage he would have went on after that.
I still can't believe Americans will rationalize the state killing citizens without due process because, "who knows what they could do".
Why are our standards for what we allow the state to do to citizens so low? Someone might be a danger, so kill them without due process? I'm against that line of thinking.
Posted on 4/14/22 at 11:58 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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WildTchoupitoulas
At this point, with what you know, what percentage of the blame for this criminal's death do you put on the LEO and what percentage on the dead guy?
Posted on 4/14/22 at 11:59 am to cubsfan5150
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If there's a chance of anyone getting killed in the process of a crime, I would much rather it be the perp than the cop or an innocent bystander.
I would just rather no one escalate the situation to increase the chance that someone could be killed in the commission of a crime - including the government.
We've just become so indifferent to people being killed on the street. It's hard for us to conceive of a different approach.
Posted on 4/14/22 at 12:06 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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Anybody can become a danger to society - even you. That not sufficient to be killed by the state without due process.
LOL, this is a comical comeback. I would never be in this situation fighting with a cop. It has never even crossed my mind.
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The cop never should have let the man get a hold of his taser. His training was so far below standard to not only put the suspects life in danger, but the cop's as well. Our police need better training.
Never? We haven't seen the whole video to see how it got this far yet.
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He could have. That's why the cop should never had let him get a hold of ANY of his weapons. They need to be trained on how to not let suspects get your taser, sidearm, nightstick, or whatever.
Yes, he could have. He already decided to fight the cop and take his taser. No one knows what could have happened next but he already demonstrated that he is a violent person.
Posted on 4/14/22 at 12:07 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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And considering the taser isn't a "deadly" weapon, I don't think it justifies deadly force.
one of the dumbest comments i’ve seen on TD today. if someone has to explain to you why, you should just log out for a while
Posted on 4/14/22 at 12:08 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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I would just rather no one escalate the situation to increase the chance that someone could be killed in the commission of a crime - including the government.
I think we all would agree with this, but if you become aggressive with a cop or hell anybody you know has a gun, then you damn well better be prepared to suffer the consequences of your actions, especially if you're unarmed.
Posted on 4/14/22 at 12:09 pm to Byrdybyrd05
When will the idiots learn that fighting with a cop gives them the right to kill your arse? If it's you or me who is gonna die...its gonna be you.
These lawless frickers are emboldened and dangerous. Cops should have the absolute right to defend themselves.
These lawless frickers are emboldened and dangerous. Cops should have the absolute right to defend themselves.
Posted on 4/14/22 at 12:10 pm to IAmNERD
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You fricking moron, the suspect is escalating when they run.
I don't deny that, you fricking imbecile, but that doesn't mean that the government didn't FURTHER escalate it when they didn't have to.
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But of course you place no liability on the actual criminals.
It's funny how so many people are all about the Rule of Law - until it doesn't suit them. In order to be considered a "criminal", you have to be found guilty of a crime in a court of law - not on the street.
But if you're accusing me of placing a higher burden on the State, well...
I'm consistent in my distrust of government.
Posted on 4/14/22 at 12:18 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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I guess the cop should've just shot her in the back of the head, right?
Hey, fricking retard. When you're on the ground fighting for two minutes (an eternity) and the suspect has a hand on your taser, they get fricking shot. Color doesn't matter. I can't believe I have to actually type this out for your dumb arse.
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