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re: Who are Pelicans best 8 players when healthy ?
Posted on 2/15/22 at 2:47 pm to LilWezyAna
Posted on 2/15/22 at 2:47 pm to LilWezyAna
quote:
Jose has been better than Graham lately, he's also playing at a level he can't sustain, just like Graham won't continue playing like he has the last 20 games more than likely
Why can’t Jose sustain this?
I made a post a few weeks ago and his steals were 3.4 per 36 minutes and that's down to 2.9. His Assist to Turnover ratio is down from 7.83 to 4.13. Both of those numbers are still really good and way above average, but they are trending down.
That being said, his Win Shares per 48 and PER have both edged up slightly, probably because he's improved his shooting while these other numbers have come down. He's performing at a slightly above average level and I don't see why that can't remain his ball park.
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Posted on 2/15/22 at 2:50 pm to LilWezyAna
quote:He's shooting 53% and 39% from 3 over the past 9 games.
Why can’t Jose sustain this? He’s shooting at a pretty average clip
I'd bet anything you want he doesn't shoot 53% from the field from today for the rest of the season. I'd bet, though not anything you want lol, that he probably won't shoot 39% from 3 either. It's just not sustainable.
Posted on 2/15/22 at 3:26 pm to shel311
No need for the arbitrary sample sizes of good games. If we took his stats from the game where he started getting consistent minutes per game (over 10), he’s at 44% FG and 31% from 3, which takes into account his 0/9 from FG in his first 3 games of the stretch. I’ll still take that over what Devonte’s been all year.
Devonte is a non-threat with the ball in his hands. Literally zero threat to the other team
Devonte is a non-threat with the ball in his hands. Literally zero threat to the other team
This post was edited on 2/15/22 at 3:27 pm
Posted on 2/15/22 at 3:41 pm to LilWezyAna
quote:
No need for the arbitrary sample sizes of good games
quote:You made the 1st comment and then applied the same type of arbitrary sample size to arrive at the 2nd comment.
Devonte is a non-threat with the ball in his hands. Literally zero threat to the other team
And if your rebuttal is that he's always been "literally zero threat" then I'm not sure we have anything else to go back and forth on, that would just be a very incorrect statement.
This post was edited on 2/15/22 at 3:57 pm
Posted on 2/15/22 at 4:18 pm to shel311
quote:
very incorrect statement
Off the dribble 3s: 26.2%
Off the dribble FG: 31%
Drives per game (from NBA stats): 1.6
FG out of PnR: 32.4%
Scoring freq out of PnR: 35.5 percentile
FG% after paint touch: 16.7%
Assist per pass % is bad
Shoots under 50% on layups
He is objectively bad with the ball in his hands. The only thing he statistically does okay with when he has the ball is assist to TO ratio, but that can be attributed to his lack of driving and making tough passes
His claim to fame is being a good, but inconsistent catch and shoot 3 point shooter.
This post was edited on 2/15/22 at 4:18 pm
Posted on 2/15/22 at 4:35 pm to Soggymoss
Only problem with that is when you get to the playoffs you're going to need more than one guy that can guard multiple positions. With that top 8, if you put Herb in a pNr its gonna be a mismatch regardless of who they choose to switch. It's why they have to force Naji/Clark/Temple into the rotation so much. We need Trey to take those minutes so we can still be switchable on defense without losing too much offense.
Trey is the key. If he develops into a inside/put defender that can shoot 37% or better from 3, then you can choose one of Nance/Jax and one of Jose/Graham to package for an upgrade elsewhere if needed.
That gives you
PG:Jose or Graham/CJ/BI/Zion
SG:BI/CJ/Herb/Graham if you keep him over Jose
SF:BI/Herb/Trey
PF:Zion/BI/Herb/Nance or Jax
C: Val/Zion/Jax or Nance
You can make some deadly situational lineups with that group of 8.
Trey is the key. If he develops into a inside/put defender that can shoot 37% or better from 3, then you can choose one of Nance/Jax and one of Jose/Graham to package for an upgrade elsewhere if needed.
That gives you
PG:Jose or Graham/CJ/BI/Zion
SG:BI/CJ/Herb/Graham if you keep him over Jose
SF:BI/Herb/Trey
PF:Zion/BI/Herb/Nance or Jax
C: Val/Zion/Jax or Nance
You can make some deadly situational lineups with that group of 8.
Posted on 2/15/22 at 4:38 pm to LilWezyAna
quote:He was 7th in the entire NBA in assists 2 seasons ago. You can't do that if you're "literally no threat with the ball"
He is objectively bad with the ball in his hand
His claim to fame is being a good, but inconsistent catch and shoot 3 point shooter.
Not to mention 6th last season in 3pt attempts while hitting those at an above average clip.
I feel like you're taking this horrific slump he's been in and applying that to make it who he's always been to then say he's "literally no threat with the ball" when he's very clearly proven to be a threat with the ball.
This post was edited on 2/15/22 at 4:39 pm
Posted on 2/15/22 at 4:55 pm to Stamps74
Zion
Ingram
McCollum
Valanciunas
Graham
Jones
Hayes
Snell
Alvarado would be 9th I think
Ingram
McCollum
Valanciunas
Graham
Jones
Hayes
Snell
Alvarado would be 9th I think
Posted on 2/15/22 at 4:59 pm to htran90
quote:I know he got paid decently and had a few seasons with solid minutes, but he's one of those dudes I never really get why he's just so easily passed around from team to team.
Snell
You always hear how valuable 3 and D players are. And he's a lengthy dude who can shoot the 3 well and from all accounts I've heard, he's a solid defender. Seems that's a dude who a team would want to keep around.
Posted on 2/15/22 at 6:42 pm to iwyLSUiwy
All good bro
I know I share quite a few laughable takes
Some of them hit though lol
But yeah the Jax slander was extreme for a while. And It prob will be again in the future lol.
I know I share quite a few laughable takes
Some of them hit though lol
But yeah the Jax slander was extreme for a while. And It prob will be again in the future lol.
Posted on 2/15/22 at 7:08 pm to shel311
I think Graham starting with CJ is a recipe for disaster. With that said, I think he needs to sub in everytime CJ comes off the floor. He's essentially a poor man's version of CJ- an undersized guard, who is a poor defender, but can facilitate and stretch the floor offensively. He just does all those things worse than CJ.
Still, he provides things we need on the floor with Zion, BI and Jax and CJ can't play every minute of every game. He needs rest and Graham is the best guard we have to fill that role while CJ is on the bench.
And also, while I love what Jose has added to this team, especially as an UDFA, I sincerely doubt he will surpass Graham or Kira when it comes to minutes next year. I think Jose is a great 5th guard, end of the rotation guy. We have someone like him every year. Someone who performs WAY over their expectations and the fanbase falls in love with them. Kenrich was that guy a couple years ago, last year it was Naji, this year its Jose. I hope I'm wrong and Jose becomes a solid backup PG for us, but I doubt he'll ever be more than an end of the bench spark-plug type PG, who brings defense and energy when called upon.
And some of yall are sleeping on Nance and what he provides when healthy. I think our rotation next year will be something like:
CJ
BI
Herb
Zion
JV
Jax
Graham
Nance
Kira, Trey and Jose all have potential to move up into more serious roles next year. I really think Trey is gonna be an elite shooter for us, who provides defense and rebounding. He just isn't ready yet, but I think he'll average closer to 20 mpg next year. Would he get real minutes in a playoff series though? Remains to be seen.
Still, he provides things we need on the floor with Zion, BI and Jax and CJ can't play every minute of every game. He needs rest and Graham is the best guard we have to fill that role while CJ is on the bench.
And also, while I love what Jose has added to this team, especially as an UDFA, I sincerely doubt he will surpass Graham or Kira when it comes to minutes next year. I think Jose is a great 5th guard, end of the rotation guy. We have someone like him every year. Someone who performs WAY over their expectations and the fanbase falls in love with them. Kenrich was that guy a couple years ago, last year it was Naji, this year its Jose. I hope I'm wrong and Jose becomes a solid backup PG for us, but I doubt he'll ever be more than an end of the bench spark-plug type PG, who brings defense and energy when called upon.
And some of yall are sleeping on Nance and what he provides when healthy. I think our rotation next year will be something like:
CJ
BI
Herb
Zion
JV
Jax
Graham
Nance
Kira, Trey and Jose all have potential to move up into more serious roles next year. I really think Trey is gonna be an elite shooter for us, who provides defense and rebounding. He just isn't ready yet, but I think he'll average closer to 20 mpg next year. Would he get real minutes in a playoff series though? Remains to be seen.
Posted on 2/15/22 at 7:14 pm to LilWezyAna
Murphy’s success is going to be predicated on Zion’s health. He’s going to need that gravity for open catch and shoots. Build his confidence and go from there
RE: Graham
He’s what he’s always been. The rub lies with the tards who propped him up to be way more than he was. They set themself up for disappoint son
RE: Graham
He’s what he’s always been. The rub lies with the tards who propped him up to be way more than he was. They set themself up for disappoint son
Posted on 2/15/22 at 11:57 pm to shel311
~37% last two years. 14th in made 3s in the league in 55 games last year. 43% on catch and shoot 3s on almost 300 attempts. 5th in made threes the year before. He’s got to chunk them up at 10 a game but, being at all optimistic, if he can get even a little bit better on the %, more consistent, that’s a lot of 3 balls going in when they have to out score teams because defense (also being part of the problem) isn’t so good. Obviously that’s a long way from the last ~20 games. Especially if Zion’s at point he just needs to knock down catch and shoot 3s when he’s on the floor. Hopefully he figures it out.
This post was edited on 2/16/22 at 12:06 am
Posted on 3/11/22 at 3:57 am to Stamps74
Most votes: Hayes
2nd: Jose
3rd: Graham/Nance tie. Nance might of been 3rd but couple people need see him play for team.
————-
4th: Kira
5th: Naji/ Snell
I’m guessing with no CJ or BI playing this list might change after these players get little more playing time.
2nd: Jose
3rd: Graham/Nance tie. Nance might of been 3rd but couple people need see him play for team.
————-
4th: Kira
5th: Naji/ Snell
I’m guessing with no CJ or BI playing this list might change after these players get little more playing time.
Posted on 3/12/22 at 6:38 am to Stamps74
CJ
BI
Zion
Val
Herb
Graham
Nance
Hayes
Pretty obvious imo
BI
Zion
Val
Herb
Graham
Nance
Hayes
Pretty obvious imo
Posted on 3/12/22 at 7:47 am to Soggymoss
quote:
Graham is what he has always been, an elite 6th man spark plug off the bench
35% shooting is not elite. It is hot garbage.
Posted on 3/12/22 at 8:22 am to Soggymoss
I was with you until you said elite—those guys are capable of giving you 30 on any given night. A great night from Graham is what, 18?
Posted on 3/12/22 at 8:51 am to LilWezyAna
quote:
This franchise putting more stock into Naji than Trey
I don't think that's the case. Naji is definitely more consistent and reliable at this point, so he gets more minutes. I think if someone offered a player we want for either Naji or Murphy, we would say goodbye to Naji. That's stock.
Posted on 3/12/22 at 10:17 am to Stamps74
1A: BI
1B: CJ
1C: Zion
2A: Herb
2B: Val
3A: Nance Jr
3B: Graham
3C: Jose
4A: Trey/ Jax/ Snell/ Naji/ Billy
Wild card: Garrett Temple
I say F it and trade Hayes, Graham, Kira, Temple for upgrades.
That would give us about 25 mil with 11 roster spots and the draft. Turn that 25 mil into 2 solid players and a rookie.
1B: CJ
1C: Zion
2A: Herb
2B: Val
3A: Nance Jr
3B: Graham
3C: Jose
4A: Trey/ Jax/ Snell/ Naji/ Billy
Wild card: Garrett Temple
I say F it and trade Hayes, Graham, Kira, Temple for upgrades.
That would give us about 25 mil with 11 roster spots and the draft. Turn that 25 mil into 2 solid players and a rookie.
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