re: Hunters in PA challenging Wildlife Agent searches on Private Property

I don't see a problem with bait cars and a bait deer at night. I honestly wouldn't look twice at either. I wouldn't shoot a deer at night and I wouldn't steal the car. The people that would are the people that would do that already. There is room for the legal ambiguity with both tactics but I'm sure the Courts have long ruled on bait car stuff and robot deer.

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I don’t understand what the problem is. If you are legal then what is wrong? Are the same kind of person that screams entrapment when you shoot a robotic deer off the side of a road at night?

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Damn son. 4th amendment. I saw a violation on the La Law game warden show-green jeans looked into the back of a parked truck and started taking pics of what he thought was deer hair and blood. These dudes (LDWF ENFORCEMENT) are completely out of control. I’m anxious to see the shite they pull with the CWD rules-IE road blocks and shite.

The baiting ban will lead to these slap dicks cruising your property at will.

Read This, rather than me summerizing


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Game wardens are welcomed on my property.

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Food for you.

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Imagine the outlawing that would occur if this passed? I understand we have rights, but the purpose of this law is to protect the game and fish of the state. If game wardens lost this ability our resources would definitely be in jeopardy.

Coonasses with property with no possibility of a game warden showing up?? What could go wrong??

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What you should understand is the outlaws are going to do their thing no matter if LDWF has 20k agents or one per Parish. Most people are reasonable and law-abiding. The deer weren’t wiped out during the decades of the honor system limit when LDWF had fewer agents per Parish, I think in the 90’s it was like two per Parish.

It's always the poachers that complain about this.

Actually the public owns the animals, this is to prevent the landed gentry from hunting illegally, over harvesting and impacting the resource.

If you have your land fenced good, i can see a clear argument that the animals there are yours and the state shouldn’t be able to regulate them at all. Maybe open land is different, but I’ve been on some high fence hunting land that was more like a zoo or pen than a wild area.

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I don’t understand what the problem is. If you are legal then what is wrong? Are the same kind of person that screams entrapment when you shoot a robotic deer off the side of a road at night?


Unbelievable.

It’s so obvious those who’ve never owned much of anything and thus don’t care about maintaining the sanctity of private property.

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I own a decent amount of land and have no problem with Wildlife doing their job. In the US, 74% of all land is privately owned; how can Wildlife possibly do their jobs without going onto private lands? (I'm not talking about going in your home or even in your camp/shack/trailer/barn. A permit should be required for that.) But these guys need access to the lands with wildlife habitat to enforce laws.

They visit the deer camp in Arkansas every year to check licenses, inspect kills/tags. I wish they patrolled MORE, but most states can't afford it.

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In the US, 74% of all land is privately owned; how can Wildlife possibly do their jobs without going onto private lands? (I'm not talking about going in your home or even in your camp/shack/trailer/barn. A permit should be required for that.) But these guys need access to the lands with wildlife habitat to enforce laws.

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I don’t think anyone is advocating that they can never enter private lands, just that they should be required to have some reasonable suspicion or probable cause like every other law enforcement agency in the country. In the age of social media coupled with the general dumbassery of those who commit violations it’s not that big of a burden.

We’ve had wardens that will sit on public roads and listen for shots after legal hours, then enter property if they hear one. That’s perfectly fine. Then we had a non-uniformed warden who decided to take his ole lady and dog joyriding through our lease on his personal sxs and acted indignant when we questioned why he was on the property, and insinuated we’d be seeing a lot more of him for daring to question why. They’ve walked up on us, wearing no orange themselves at 430pm, just to spend til dark finding we’re 100% legal. They’ll steal cards from cameras over a perfectly legal feeder just on the off chance you poured some of the sack on the ground.

Having zero barrier to enter property and the petty nature of enforcement makes people distrust them and more prone to keeping their mouth shut. That’s the eventuality of overreach. I’d argue THAT enables poaching more than anything.