re: Who are the largest Winners and Losers In the New SEC?

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Welcome to the SECr.

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only response to me that has made sense in this thread for an hour now.

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If you think for one second our athletic budget is only going to increase in proportion to the increased TV revenue difference between the Big 12 and the SEC you are grossly mistaken.

You just assume that Mizzou will maintain the same budget.

Your logic is and has been flawed throughout the discourse here.

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Oh, I'm sorry i didn't realize y'all expect to obtain LSU's budget while competing against Pro sports that dominates the state of Missouri unlike LSU.

You have little to no sky boxes or premium club seating. Yet, you expect a vast budget increase? From who? Do tell...

I expect donations to increase and tickets prices to slightly increase at Missouri with a more dominate and exciting schedule. However, there is still over a $12M Net difference between Arkansas and Mizzou. Mizzou will need all the advantages it can get being far north and is a not densely populated recruiting state as their roster shows.

Arkansas' tickets prices increased last year and generated $6.8M that is not reflected on the chart I listed you. We are building new skyboxes and more club seating to generate even more money.

This is an arms race and Missouri needs to understand what they are getting into.

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Wow, so Arkansas' athletic budget is $123 million a year? If not, Arkansas doesn't double Missouri's.

Ha. Where did you get that number when I posted them above?

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I believe what he was going by was total athletic budget. According to Mike Alden Mizzou's Athletic Budget at this point is $65 Million dollars. Which is still lower than most SEC schools but it isn't that much lower than Arkansas who had an athletic Budget of $71.8 million dollars and several others. If the reporter has his numbers correct Missouri's budget is heading in the right direction.

They still have a long ways to go but they will also be going up from Big 12 TV revenues of $8 to 10 million dollars a year for football to a much larger amount of money. I don't know how they are doing on expanding the stadium but I do know they have talked about adding seats on one end of memorial stadium and it would take the capacity to about 85,000. Suffice it to say Missouri officials know they are going to have to raise spending and get larger facilities and they are working on that.

Link to article about it.

That said I think Missouri is a big winner in all of this as they have moved up to the best conference there is and has found the stability we desire. Now as a fan of Missouri I can only hope they do what is needed to compete at the higher level they're moving up to.

I guess the big question is going to be how it effects recruiting which we shall see soon. We will have to see how it plays out as to how well Missouri does in the SEC at a later date because I wont make any bold predictions as I'm not sure how things will go, but one things for sure I'm glad that MU is a member of the SEC!!

I think Mizzou understands that there is a lot of work to be done and thus the reason for the raise in Athletic budgets and raising of money to add on stands and increase the stadium capacity.

As for recruiting as I basically said that is an unknown. I think being part of the SEC may help to keep some of the recruits we lose from the state to the Big Ten home. Gary Pinkel did a good job getting MU into Texas as far as recruiting and I'm sure he will try to add some games in Texas with other Texas schools. We shall see what happens but if he can adjust to the recruiting changes I believe they will be alright.

I'm more worried about the lack of any kind of power running game over the years which has on occasion created problems on short yardage downs against good defenses. Basically I know Missouri has a lot to learn and a lot of catching up to do and we shall see how it goes.

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SunHog

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You guys are not that good.

How much hardware do you guys have in football after 20 years in the conference?

3 West Division titles followed by blowout losses in the SEC Championship game?

You speak as if you guys are perennial threats.

You are barely getting by A&M each year. Vandy and Ole Miss almost handed you a loss.

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You guys are not that good.

How much hardware do you guys have in football after 20 years in the conference?

3 West Division titles followed by blowout losses in the SEC Championship game?

You speak as if you guys are perennial threats.

You are barely getting by A&M each year. Vandy and Ole Miss almost handed you a loss.

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Thank you, Arkansas won the SEC West when Bama, LSU and Auburn were down just like Mizzou won the Big 12 North when Nebraska, K-State being down. This guy acts like they've been dominating the SEC, they are on the SAME level as Mizzou and Mizzou PROVED that on the FIELD. But hey they have better facilities and still got their arse handed to em by rinky dink Mizzou. Not good.

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arkansas is probably the biggest winner, they picked up neighboring state conference members, got a regular game in texas to help recruiting, and became just less peripheral in general to the majority of the SEC

Missouri gained stability and will benefit by being able to really recruit both florida and texas (missouri and lsu are the only schools in the SEC who will play both florida and A&M). They are not going to be a top notch football school in the SEC but they have a good head coach, a great offensive coordinator and are not going to get destroyed like kentucky does.... except in baseball... they are going to get ridden like seattle slew during baseball season

LSU is yet to be determined, playing A&M and florida on top of in state recruiting is an advantage but they were already recruiting texas very well and the danger for them is A&M eventually hires the right coach and becomes the football power they have always had the potential to become (drying up some of the LSU/Texas pipeline).

A&M is out from underneath big brother. They can market themselves as the Texas SEC option and with the right coach they have a ceiling equal to Florida IMO

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You honestly think Missouri will recruit Florida? Arkansas has a hard enough time in Florida and we are much closer. Yet, we won't be playing them every year... Now as for the games in Texas I completely agree with you.

I think LSU is helped out just as much as Arkansas for the reasons you listed. The luxury of LSU is having 80 D-1 players while Arkansas had 40 D-1 players and Missouri had 25 D-1 players. (2010 kids that signed) Thus, giving LSU a chance to cheery pick better talent than they previously had. Even thought since Saban and Miles LSU hasn't had much of a hard time recruiting but it is a new advantage.

Texas A&M has ALWAYS (and UCLA) had massive potential but they've never achieved this level. Part of the reason is the military mystique and College Station isn't as fun as Norman or Austin in the same area. Now you are adding in Fayetteville as also a better college destination. Not to mention those schools listed have better coaches.

The Big12 did damage control with adding TCU in the metroplex to stop the bleeding of kids in Texas heading to the SEC. However, TAMU has opened up the door.

With that being said what do you think of Ole Miss?

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Come on SunHog, you act like Arkansas is dominating the world of College Football. You guys spend all that Wal-Mart money on your facilities but still got beat by lil Ol Mizzou in football. Hell Ole Miss, TAMU, Arkansas, and South Carolina all have better football stadiums than Mizzou but guess what, Mizzou still beat those teams. So that ARMS RACE talk don't fly.

Mizzou will get recruits. Hell the Chiefs love SEC players and everybody knows that, guess what now Mizzou can use that to it's advantage with 2 pro markets in it's backyard. The best players want to play in the SEC but also want an easier chance at going pro. Jackpot for Mizzou.

And believe me the people of Missouri will not let it's flagship university sag behind, they are planning on upgrading the stadium. By joining the SEC you better believe the people of the Show Me State will step up. Hell the school just spent over $75 mil on a basketball facility, a top notch one. Now it's time for the football upgrades. Hell if Mizzou is doing this good with the facilities they have you better hope they don't do any upgrades because it won't be in Arkansas' best interest considering you already have a hard enough time beating Mizzou even though you have superior facilities.lol.

Talk about BCS bowls, um you guys lost to Ohio State while the other SEC schools that played Ohio State won, good job reppin the SEC with your top notch facilities. Oh and you guys HAVE to upgrade your facilities to get recruits to play in NW ARKANSAS, not a good destination for black recruits if you know what I mean.

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Wrong. The last Walton money (walmart) built Bud Walton in 1993. Reynolds Foundation is the one pouring in the money at the moment and has been for the football stadium a new football complex center that broke ground last week.

We got beat by Missouri in 2007 and destroyed them in 2003, what's your point? We've played 5 games against them in over 100 years. The arms race does matter or Tennessee wouldn't spend so much money on recruiting and facilities since they are not in the middle of the deep south like Alabama.

I didn't realize California and Standord can use the pro teams in their backyard.. Oh, wait.. That doesn't matter because they are located in the richest talent state besides Texas and Florida. The state of Missouri puts less players on D-1 roster than Tennessee, Arkansas and possibly Kentucky.

You look stupid referring to all these games Arkansas loses to Missouri.



In the BCS era Arkansas and Missouri is 1-1. We won 1 and lost 1 in typical Nutt Fashion.

LSU has lost to Iowa and Penn State recently in bowl games. You also lost to Ohio State in the regular season in the 80's. Pretty stupid statement in a great BCS game. We played in the BCS Missouri hasn't, period.

Hey, idiot. Fayetteville, Arkansas and Knoxville, Tennessee have the same black population at 6%. While Memphis has 55% and Little Rock has 45%. It's called mountains and cotton doesn't grow well in the mountains for history purposes.

It's pretty easy to understand Missouri will need massive upgrades to compete being so far removed from the talent pool and with little in-state recruiting base. It looks like they are ready for that but we shall see.

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We have a top 20 recruiting class coming in next year.

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Hopefully you will understand that a top 20 recruiting class will put you in the bottom half of the SEC. And, you are going to have to do something about that stadium as I will expect you will be ridiculed mercilessly by visiting fans.

I welcome Missouri to the SEC. I think they were the best fit and am glad to see that Missouri has already got the Ar-kansas piggies all riled up.