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Who are the largest Winners and Losers In the New SEC?
Posted on 11/7/11 at 7:39 pm
Posted on 11/7/11 at 7:39 pm
TAMU has a recruiting sell towards the elite kids in Texas to use to their advantage.
Arkansas becomes the 2nd closest SEC school to Dallas and Kansas City and 3rd closest to Houston and St. Louis. 5 out of 6 Arkansas border states are now kids who will grow up hearing about the SEC not just the Big12. We now will know what it feels like to be surrounded by SEC schools and not on the edge.
LSU has the same advantage as Arkansas yet can cherry pick a little more with better in-state recruiting to pool from.
Ole Miss is the 3rd closest school to St. Louis and 4th closest to Dallas. Ole Miss, can use a little help from Texas and Misosuri as it's been pouched for in-state recruits for decades now.
The rest of the SEC is about the same advantage they get exposure on those states but still are surrounded by deep south talent.
Is this honestly a good move for Missouri disregarding the money?
They lose 4 games a year in Texas and are replacing it with 1 every year with TAMU. I highly doubt Missouri would've agreed to this move without having a game in Texas every single year. Their rooster is heavily dominated by Texas kids.
An interesting tid-bit.. Southern Missouri is much closer to Arkansas than Columbia, MO. It's the exact same as southern Arkansas is closer to Baton Rouge than Fayetteville.
I don't really think many teams lose in this expansion yet some gain much bigger advantages than they previously had.
Thoughts?
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Posted on 11/7/11 at 8:12 pm to SunHog
Mizzou was close to being out of a conference before the PAC-12 got tired of Texas and its LHN. So, from that perspective, this is a move about stability. Plus, they will get more money, more exposure and maybe more fan interest.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 8:21 pm to Chicken
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Mizzou was close to being out of a conference before the PAC-12 got tired of Texas and its LHN. So, from that perspective, this is a move about stability. Plus, they will get more money, more exposure and maybe more fan interest.
You think they are trying to take the South Carolina business approach to what it did for their program... Joining the SEC?
We are talking Missouri is 315 miles North of Arkansas which is a ways away from Texas and the upper south much less the deep south.
I do agree the fan interest will grow with SEC teams heading to Columbia.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 8:28 pm to SunHog
Poor little Mizzou.
...and this is coming from an Arkansas fan? Really?
I can understand the superiority that some of the programs have earned and the respect they deserve inside the SEC, pretty sure Arkansas is NOT one of them.
...and this is coming from an Arkansas fan? Really?
I can understand the superiority that some of the programs have earned and the respect they deserve inside the SEC, pretty sure Arkansas is NOT one of them.
This post was edited on 11/7/11 at 8:31 pm
Posted on 11/7/11 at 8:47 pm to SunHog
I would argue it's Arkansas first and then A&M.
LSU is already on top of the world. Hard to argue they benefit as much as teams that have possible upward mobility.
Of course only time will tell. A&M could become the new Kentucky as easily as the new Auburn
LSU is already on top of the world. Hard to argue they benefit as much as teams that have possible upward mobility.
Of course only time will tell. A&M could become the new Kentucky as easily as the new Auburn
Posted on 11/7/11 at 8:47 pm to kilo
I dont think SunHog was trying to diss us, but at the same time its funny people act like we will come in and never win another conference game again. This was a great move for several reasons. I dont think there were any "Losers" in the expansion as it helps all the schools.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 8:59 pm to Stripes314
Stripes, Sunhog is always trying to diss. He's a California troll who left his overalls back in Arkadelphia. 
Posted on 11/7/11 at 9:17 pm to kilo
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Poor little Mizzou.
...and this is coming from an Arkansas fan? Really?
I can understand the superiority that some of the programs have earned and the respect they deserve inside the SEC, pretty sure Arkansas is NOT one of them.
What superiority am I talking about you seem to want to fight about?
I'll bite.
Take your pick.. Athletic budgets, national titles, conference titles, stadium size, fan base, merchandise.. We will dominate Missouri but feel free to try any category you wish.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 9:18 pm to Big Kat
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I would argue it's Arkansas first and then A&M.
How do you figure that?
Posted on 11/7/11 at 9:19 pm to Stripes314
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I dont think SunHog was trying to diss us, but at the same time its funny people act like we will come in and never win another conference game again. This was a great move for several reasons. I dont think there were any "Losers" in the expansion as it helps all the schools.
People read however they wish. I'm simply stating how is the SEC going to benefit Missouri over the Big12 disregarding money?
It's clear Arkansas and TAMU benefit more than Missouri but what is Missouri gaining they didn't already have?
Posted on 11/7/11 at 9:21 pm to Smoke Ring
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Stripes, Sunhog is always trying to diss. He's a California troll who left his overalls back in Arkadelphia.
Who am I always trying to dis? Facts speak for themselves. What makes one a troll who is from Arkansas, went to Arkansas and donates to Arkansas?
Line up for another dick slap if you want one.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 9:37 pm to SunHog
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It's clear Arkansas and TAMU benefit more than Missouri but what is Missouri gaining they didn't already have?
Stability. But to your point, why is it always argued that a team should run away from other good teams or they are "stupid" or a "loser".
Posted on 11/7/11 at 9:44 pm to Stripes314
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Stability. But to your point, why is it always argued that a team should run away from other good teams or they are "stupid" or a "loser".
Stability is understandable.
Arkansas started super conferences by being the first team to leave a major conference for another. You won't find me calling TAMU, Mizzou or Nebraska chicken.
It's a better deal over here.
As for being "losers" or "winners" it applies to helping or hurting universities in the SEC.
The money will help everyone but TAMU, for example, could hurt Ole Miss and MSU in terms of SEC pecking order.
Missouri can if they can continue to recruit Texas well. Being the Northern most school (Mizzou) or Western most school (TAMU)isn't usually a good thing.
The Big12 was smart to add TCU just to help minimize the impact of TAMU in the SEC.
Texas currently is still a Big12 state first but it's been opened up more to the SEC than ever before now.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 9:46 pm to SunHog
Alabama got to keep the Tennessee game and kept AU out of the easier east division. I feel like that's a small victory
Posted on 11/7/11 at 9:54 pm to attheua
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Alabama got to keep the Tennessee game and kept AU out of the easier east division. I feel like that's a small victory
This literally is a wash for Alabama. Geographically, Tuscaloosa is in the best position of every single SEC school in terms of location.
From Tuscaloosa you can hit Little Rock, Knoxville and Baton Rouge in 350 miles.. That's the entire south and a massive advantage to recruit with such rich history.
You are surrounded by SEC schools finally Arkansas will have the same advantage with a slightly less recruiting base of the same radius.
What's the over under Kentucky or Missouri has a better program in 5 years?
If Missouri keeps their ties with Texas it would give them a leg up because Columbia is a nice place to go to school and close to KC and St. Louis.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 9:58 pm to SunHog
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Take your pick.. Athletic budgets, national titles, conference titles, stadium size, fan base, merchandise.. We will dominate Missouri but feel free to try any category you wish.
Well, Id like to see how you manipulate the statistics so go ahead, I'll wait.
While Im waiting Im going to go ahead and watch a replay of the 2008 Cotton bowl to see if I can find and or identify this "dominance" over Mizzou that Arkansas exhibits.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 10:19 pm to kilo
[quote]Well, Id like to see how you manipulate the statistics so go ahead, I'll wait.
While Im waiting Im going to go ahead and watch a replay of the 2008 Cotton bowl to see if I can find and or identify this "dominance" over Mizzou that Arkansas exhibits.
My wife is a mizzou grad, so I have a little understanding of your program. Your baseball is total shite, by sec standards it is total joke. And you have got work to do on your football stadium, you will see why when you travel, BDS will make you shite your pants.
As far as arky goes, they are miles ahead of you in in all major sport stadiums. Your campus is better, but football, basketball and baseball stadiums at arky are top notch for the size.
FYI this is not 2008 anymore, petrino's Arkansas is much better than the nutt/herring team you played in the cotton bowl.
While Im waiting Im going to go ahead and watch a replay of the 2008 Cotton bowl to see if I can find and or identify this "dominance" over Mizzou that Arkansas exhibits.
My wife is a mizzou grad, so I have a little understanding of your program. Your baseball is total shite, by sec standards it is total joke. And you have got work to do on your football stadium, you will see why when you travel, BDS will make you shite your pants.
As far as arky goes, they are miles ahead of you in in all major sport stadiums. Your campus is better, but football, basketball and baseball stadiums at arky are top notch for the size.
FYI this is not 2008 anymore, petrino's Arkansas is much better than the nutt/herring team you played in the cotton bowl.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 10:27 pm to Bamainozarks
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football, basketball and baseball stadiums at arky are top notch
Arkansas has a dazzling array of facilities. Learn it, live it, love it.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 10:32 pm to Bamainozarks
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My wife is a mizzou grad, so I have a little understanding of your program. Your baseball is total shite, by sec standards it is total joke. And you have got work to do on your football stadium, you will see why when you travel, BDS will make you shite your pants.
As far as arky goes, they are miles ahead of you in in all major sport stadiums. Your campus is better, but football, basketball and baseball stadiums at arky are top notch for the size.
FYI this is not 2008 anymore, petrino's Arkansas is much better than the nutt/herring team you played in the cotton bowl.
I get that. I am also not ripping Arkansas.
Missouri is in a far better situation coming into the SEC than Arkansas was when they entered.
MU has a very new BB arena that is one of top facilities in the country.
Baseball facility will have to improve along with the program.
BB is fine. Top 25 pre season.
FB is fine. We are in a transition year with a Sop HB that is top 5 in the nation in rushing and a Sop QB. We have a top 20 recruiting class coming in next year.
Our athletic budgets ARE going up because of this move. There are already plans to update Memorial Stadium.
Arkansas made many of the same improvements AFTER the move to the SEC.
Competitively, Arkansas and Mizzou are pretty close. With an edge in football THIS year.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 10:36 pm to kilo
As long as Mike Anderson has relatives and friends with children who are good at basketball, Arkansas will do well.
Outside of that he can't recruit at all.
Outside of that he can't recruit at all.
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