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The reality of an expanded SEC schedule
Posted on 10/26/11 at 12:49 am
Posted on 10/26/11 at 12:49 am
I'd like to point out that Saturday, Arkansas and Vanderbilt are meeting for the 6th time ever as SEC opponents. That's 20 years, and this will be our 6th meeting in that timeframe.
Schedules were changed up a few times which changed the rotation.
That leads me to a thought. I wonder if any of the teams who are playing each other this year might get screwed by the new schedule next year?
I'll be pissed, for example, if we have to go to LSU and/or Bama again next year.
That would be a screwjob.
I don't think there's anyway to avoid at least a few teams getting screwed over in that department. Has anybody considered that in their scheduling fantasies?
Schedules were changed up a few times which changed the rotation.
That leads me to a thought. I wonder if any of the teams who are playing each other this year might get screwed by the new schedule next year?
I'll be pissed, for example, if we have to go to LSU and/or Bama again next year.
That would be a screwjob.
I don't think there's anyway to avoid at least a few teams getting screwed over in that department. Has anybody considered that in their scheduling fantasies?
Posted on 10/26/11 at 1:37 am to wmr
Have you considered that A&M and LSU have played more times than LSU has played:
Vanderbilt
South Carolina
Auburn
Georgia
Tennessee
So who fricking cares? Just play who is on your schedule.
Vanderbilt
South Carolina
Auburn
Georgia
Tennessee
So who fricking cares? Just play who is on your schedule.
Posted on 10/26/11 at 1:46 am to TeLeFaWx
quote:
Have you considered that A&M and LSU have played more times than LSU has played:
We've played Rice and Tulane more than those teams too! It weird how LSU has only played Tennessee something like 30 times.
Posted on 10/26/11 at 2:20 am to wmr
quote:
That's 20 years, and this will be our 6th meeting in that timeframe.
that's not too bad all things considered (separate divisions, 12 team league, etc)
Posted on 10/26/11 at 6:43 am to attheua
Kentucky has only played Auburn 32 times and we've been in the same conference for about 100 years so 6 meetings in 20 years is on par with that.
Posted on 10/26/11 at 8:32 am to wmr
The reality of a non expanded schedule over 20 years:
LSU plays:
FL: 20
GA: 8
SC: 8
TN: 8
Arky plays:
FL: 8
GA: 8
SC: 20
TN: 8
Bama plays:
FL: 8
GA: 8
SC: 8
TN: 20
With an expanded (14 team), 6-1-1 sched with no change in perm opponent over 24 years:
LSU plays:
FL: 24
GA: 4
SC: 4
TN: 4
Arky plays:
FL: 4
GA: 4
SC: 24
TN: 4
Bama plays:
FL: 4
GA: 4
SC: 4
TN: 24
AU is the same except GA is their permanent opponent; OM is Vandy, and MSU is KT.
IMO, besides just being stupid from a conference cohesion standpoint, over time it's a significant advantage to Arky and Bama. You can tolerate this imbalance when you keep the rotation to 5 years or under, but this is getting ridiculous.
As an aside, sorry TN, but I don't think you can be considered among the top teams any more. Yes, I know you are currently in just a down cycle and that you will be good again probably more often than not. But that's just it. You can be good, but I don't think you can be great like FL or GA if they ever get their act together. Your base is just too weak and the competitive landscape has changed too much unfavorably. I see your future to be more like SC--good but not dominant. Maybe if all the stars in all the galaxies align...
LSU plays:
FL: 20
GA: 8
SC: 8
TN: 8
Arky plays:
FL: 8
GA: 8
SC: 20
TN: 8
Bama plays:
FL: 8
GA: 8
SC: 8
TN: 20
With an expanded (14 team), 6-1-1 sched with no change in perm opponent over 24 years:
LSU plays:
FL: 24
GA: 4
SC: 4
TN: 4
Arky plays:
FL: 4
GA: 4
SC: 24
TN: 4
Bama plays:
FL: 4
GA: 4
SC: 4
TN: 24
AU is the same except GA is their permanent opponent; OM is Vandy, and MSU is KT.
IMO, besides just being stupid from a conference cohesion standpoint, over time it's a significant advantage to Arky and Bama. You can tolerate this imbalance when you keep the rotation to 5 years or under, but this is getting ridiculous.
As an aside, sorry TN, but I don't think you can be considered among the top teams any more. Yes, I know you are currently in just a down cycle and that you will be good again probably more often than not. But that's just it. You can be good, but I don't think you can be great like FL or GA if they ever get their act together. Your base is just too weak and the competitive landscape has changed too much unfavorably. I see your future to be more like SC--good but not dominant. Maybe if all the stars in all the galaxies align...
Posted on 10/26/11 at 8:39 am to Indiana Tiger
Go to a 10 game conference schedule.
Posted on 10/26/11 at 8:55 am to C
Do away with OOC games and just play 13 SEC games. Talk about TV revenue.
Posted on 10/26/11 at 9:08 am to Indiana Tiger
quote:
As an aside, sorry TN, but I don't think you can be considered among the top teams any more. Yes, I know you are currently in just a down cycle and that you will be good again probably more often than not. But that's just it. You can be good, but I don't think you can be great like FL or GA if they ever get their act together. Your base is just too weak and the competitive landscape has changed too much unfavorably. I see your future to be more like SC--good but not dominant. Maybe if all the stars in all the galaxies align...
I keep hearing this, but I see no reason to really believe it. As far as I'm concerned, UT will be good within 3 years of hiring the right coach.
Posted on 10/26/11 at 9:22 am to ohiovol
Then they'll be good next year by that logic, because I think they have the right coach.
Posted on 10/26/11 at 9:25 am to ffishstik
The permanent opponent set up is a flaw as it is unfair and prevents teams from playing others very often.
In general it is a horrible compromise for two games.
In general it is a horrible compromise for two games.
Posted on 10/26/11 at 9:42 am to Colonel Flagg
Nobody even touched what was my main point.
What if the revised SEC schedule makes LSU play at Tuscaloosa again next year?
When the Big 12 dropped to 10, OSU had to play Texas at Austin two years in a row.
I think this is the second time in a row that Mizzou is at TAMU.
I wonder if there is any way to avoid that in the expanded SEC schedule for 2012.
What if the revised SEC schedule makes LSU play at Tuscaloosa again next year?
When the Big 12 dropped to 10, OSU had to play Texas at Austin two years in a row.
I think this is the second time in a row that Mizzou is at TAMU.
I wonder if there is any way to avoid that in the expanded SEC schedule for 2012.
Posted on 10/26/11 at 9:45 am to wmr
quote:
Nobody even touched what was my main point.
What if the revised SEC schedule makes LSU play at Tuscaloosa again next year?
When the Big 12 dropped to 10, OSU had to play Texas at Austin two years in a row.
I think this is the second time in a row that Mizzou is at TAMU.
I wonder if there is any way to avoid that in the expanded SEC schedule for 2012.
Would I like it? No. Would there be a lot screaming and shouting? Yes. But if it were necessary, and I don't have a clue if it does, it would be a one year deal and not a long term one like perm rivals. Point is I would bitch like hell but it would be over soon.
Posted on 10/26/11 at 10:01 am to wmr
quote:
wonder if any of the teams who are playing each other this year might get screwed by the new schedule next year?
I'll be pissed, for example, if we have to go to LSU and/or Bama again next year.
That would be a screwjob.
When we switched formats in 2002, there were some teams that had to go on the road to play the same team twice in a row. Ole Miss played us in Tiger Stadium in 2001 and 2002, we played at Kentucky in 2001 and 2002. I'm sure there were other examples, but don't know which ones. It also happened in 1992 when we went to divisional play and the 8-game schedule. We played Ole Miss on the road in 1991 and 1992, Alabama at home both years. We also played Kentucky at home in back to back years in 1987 and 1988 when the SEC went from a 6-game schedule to a 7-game schedule.
The one good thing, I guess, is that 2011 will conclude the second 5-year cycle of rotations that were set up in the 2002 format change, so everybody got all their home and away games against all the opponents they were supposed to.
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Saturday, Arkansas and Vanderbilt are meeting for the 6th time ever as SEC opponents. That's 20 years, and this will be our 6th meeting in that timeframe
That's the worst thing about having a lot of teams and keeping annual inter-divisional games. It's a shame LSU never got to play against Herschel Walker, Bo Jackson or Peyton Manning. Preserving Alabama-Tennessee and Auburn-Georgia is going to insure that continues to happen to SEC teams and their fans.
In my opinion, it dilutes the benefit of being in the SEC. A Missouri coach, for example, trying to recruit a player by saying "hey, you'll be able to play teams like Alabama in Bryant-Denny Stadium and LSU in Death Valley" won't have an answer when the recruit points out to him "you're in the East, you won't play those teams until 2022".
This post was edited on 10/26/11 at 10:43 am
Posted on 10/26/11 at 10:05 am to TriumphTiger
quote:
It weird how LSU has only played Tennessee something like 30 times
I think we've played Georgia fewer times than that. We went from 1953 to 1978 without playing each other at all.
Posted on 10/26/11 at 10:16 am to Nuts4LSU
quote:
I think we've played Georgia fewer times than that. We went from 1953 to 1978 without playing each other at all.
I think it's 28 times, including 2 SEC CG appearances.
Posted on 10/26/11 at 10:28 am to wmr
this sort of thing happened in 2001-2002 when the SEC went from 2 permanent opponents to 1. LSU played @ Kentucky back to back years and got Ole Miss in Baton Rouge back to back years.
Posted on 10/26/11 at 10:34 am to wmr
quote:
I'll be pissed, for example, if we have to go to LSU and/or Bama again next year.
We will be okay
This post was edited on 10/26/11 at 10:38 am
Posted on 10/26/11 at 3:13 pm to ffishstik
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Then they'll be good next year by that logic, because I think they have the right coach.
IF Dooley is the right coach, Tennessee will win 10 games next year.
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