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Posted on 11/6/11 at 9:02 am
Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
22332 posts
Posted on 11/6/11 at 9:02 am
find them a coach that can compete in the SEC before they get here. I don't think Sherman is the man. Didn't he return 18 starters from a team that won 9 games last year. The record is 5-4 this year with some bad losses. The transition to be able to compete in the SEC would be much easier with a top notch coach for that program. If you don't get one, you will regret the decision to change conferences in 5 years.
What say you?
This post was edited on 11/6/11 at 9:02 am
Posted by coldhotwings
Mississippi
Member since Jan 2008
6497 posts
Posted on 11/6/11 at 9:16 am to
I guaranteed losses to LSU, Bama, and Arky next season including losing to Auburn and MSU if played in away games after they lost their second game of the season. I pissed off a few Aggie posters on this board because I said it like I expected it. I'll let you rattle the beehive.
Posted by Rickie
Portland, ME
Member since Aug 2010
2927 posts
Posted on 11/6/11 at 9:41 am to
Aggies always have the talent, but never get it done

It's coaching
Posted by texasaggie08
Triple D, TX
Member since Dec 2010
1408 posts
Posted on 11/6/11 at 9:52 am to
110% agree.

Sherman has done for us kind of what Zook did at UF before Meyer got there; gotten the talent to a respectable level, but unable to get us over the top.

The next coach will be in much better shape than Sherman was when he came here, Fran had gutted our program and the locker room was toxic.

As far as WHO the next coach will be....2 of the last 4 coaching changes were us money whipping a coach at a major program to come here. Jackie at Pitt (we made him the highest paid coach in history at the time), and Fran at Bama (i know....i know....but it was still something no one thought could happen at the time, sanctions be damned). The other 2 were guys who "got" A&M; RC Slocum, who was a Jackie assistant, and Sherman, who was an assistant here under Slocum.

It is time in the cycle for another big time "outsider". Jackie worked out, Fran did not.
This post was edited on 11/6/11 at 9:53 am
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
79992 posts
Posted on 11/6/11 at 10:00 am to
This is looking like 2002 all over again. McKinney is Sherman's Groff.
Posted by coldhotwings
Mississippi
Member since Jan 2008
6497 posts
Posted on 11/6/11 at 10:11 am to
Your AD needs to look at shelling out around $4-5 million to hire a good SEC caliber coaching staff. You will be looking at around $3 mil for a HC,about 500K each for a OC and DC, and 500K total for the other assistants. Will Muschamp is getting paid just under $3 mil/yr with no head coaching experience prior to taking on the UF job.
Posted by Tiger n Miami AU83
Miami
Member since Oct 2007
45656 posts
Posted on 11/6/11 at 10:16 am to
You guys should take a look at Tubberville. That would be interesting. I would rather not see it happen, but I think it would make a lot of sense for both parties.
Posted by texasaggie08
Triple D, TX
Member since Dec 2010
1408 posts
Posted on 11/6/11 at 10:19 am to
I'd fully support throwing 4-5M at Meyer.....maybe he'd laugh, or maybe he'd like to come to the lone SEC school in Texas that is 90 miles from Houston talent and a few hours from DFW/East Texas. Only Meyer knows what the next challenge is that he wants. Maybe that means Ohio State or PSU, maybe it doesn't.
Posted by Cajun Revolution
Member since Apr 2009
44671 posts
Posted on 11/6/11 at 10:23 am to
Sherman is horrible. Why can't you people find a decent coach?
Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
22332 posts
Posted on 11/6/11 at 10:24 am to
quote:

You guys should take a look at Tubberville. That would be interesting. I would rather not see it happen, but I think it would make a lot of sense for both parties.


You know I thought the same thing about one month ago. But if I was AM I would put the money out to get a bigger name. I don't know if Tubby still has it. I know he beat OK, but look at the last couple of weeks.
Posted by Smoke Ring
Scenic Highway Crackhouse
Member since Dec 2010
4234 posts
Posted on 11/6/11 at 10:24 am to
I think it is safe to say that Meyer won't be wanting PSU after the recent child sexual assault allegations, "cover-up" allegations, and indictment of the PSU AD and former DC.
Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
22332 posts
Posted on 11/6/11 at 10:31 am to
Urban Cryer = Ohio State

You know who I think is one of the best coach's- top 2 or 3- in the country? Bill Snyder from KSU. If that old man had been at a top tier program for all of these years, I think that he would have competed for or won 2-3 national championships. I'm not saying that he should be Tx AM's choice, he would never leave KSU, too late for that, but he is a great coach.
Posted by texasaggie08
Triple D, TX
Member since Dec 2010
1408 posts
Posted on 11/6/11 at 10:34 am to
His name is on KSU's stadium. 0% chance.

As to Meyer, no one will argue that OSU isn't the most LIKELY place for him to end up......but we'll see. I think its fair to argue A&M would be there right after them if there is not a mutual want between Meyer and OSU. Maybe he doesn't want to deal with the sanctions they'll be dealing with. Maybe he wants to be in the SEC as opposed to the Big 10.

Slight longshot, but something we should at least look into.
Posted by Smoke Ring
Scenic Highway Crackhouse
Member since Dec 2010
4234 posts
Posted on 11/6/11 at 10:34 am to
AU86,

We play them next week. Should be a good measuring stick of coaching staffs. My enduring memory of Snyder is A&M beating his team in the '98 Big XII championship.
Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
22332 posts
Posted on 11/6/11 at 10:39 am to
quote:

AU86,

We play them next week. Should be a good measuring stick of coaching staffs. My enduring memory of Snyder is A&M beating his team in the '98 Big XII championship.


I think AM has far more talent than KSU. But what Snyder gets out of his is amazing. Look at what they did last night at Okie State. Amazing. I would have loved to watch that game.
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
79992 posts
Posted on 11/6/11 at 10:46 am to
quote:

Sherman is horrible. Why can't you people find a decent coach?


Sherman was hired for one reason and one reason alone: Former Texas A&M University System Chancellor Mike McKinney.

Two of McKinney's sons played for Mike Sherman either at A&M when he was an offensive coordinator, Green Bay when he was the head coach, or Houston when he was the offensive coordinator.

McKinney is known for being the a-hole who started a fight in the 2001 Texas Tech game goalpost incident, fired Elsa Murano basically using a note written in crayon, and was probably one of Rick Perry's most notorious bootlickers.

McKinney told Bill Byrne who he would hire and promised him a raise in return.

Mike McKinney resigned as chancellor on July 1st. On July 21st, Mike Sherman's contract was renegotiated with an extension and a $1.8 Million buyout. Prior to the change, we would have owed him the full remaining value of the contract had we fired him.
Posted by zachcopp
Dallas
Member since Jul 2011
51 posts
Posted on 11/6/11 at 12:09 pm to
Preaching to the choir here boys. I would say 80% of Aggies are on the fire Sherman bandwagon. Even if we win out the rest of the season we want him gone. His ineptitude is astounding, and the next couple of years will tell a lot about how serious Texas A&M is about its football team. Lets analyze the last four coaching hires:

Jackie Sherill: Offered him to be the highest paid coach in CFB and it paid off. Great coach and brought is to be a respectable top 15 program.

R.C. Slocum: Admin got scared with being on probation and wanted a good ole boy, hence R.C. He was an assistant for Jackie and the admin knew he wanted to win with class and do it "the right way". His defenses were solid for the most part but offense was terrible. Class does not always win. He was let go after a 6-6 season

Franchione: Cannot argue with the hire. National media and CFB fans alike thought he was the real deal. I am amazed at how poorly wrong most of the medias opinion was.

Sherman: This hire pretty much made all of us sick. Our "national coaching search" lasted all of what 3 days? Sherman is another one of those good ole boys who wants a team full of choir boys. The boosters lobbied for Sherman, and I am personally glad they are eating their words now. The big money Ags went over our AD's head and more or less forced the hire, and they are now staring at mediocrity once again

The next coaching hire and timing of it will tell a lot of us all we need to know about how our school views football. If we hold onto Sherman past 2012, many of us will lose faith (even more-so than we have already). As a general rule money wins plain and simple. We should not go out and make another budget hire. We should go out and throw upwards of $3 million at a PROVEN college coach, and him hire some top assistant that recruit their butts off. As I said, the next few years will really tell us how serious our school is about winning. Just know that the majority of us are fed up with Mike Sherman and never liked the hire in the first place
This post was edited on 11/6/11 at 12:10 pm
Posted by DoUrden
UnderDark
Member since Oct 2011
25965 posts
Posted on 11/6/11 at 12:21 pm to
A&M certainly gets the short end of the stick with joining the west right now, but it's cyclical mid 90's to early 00's belonged mostly to the east.
Posted by daboman of Aggieland
Columbia, MO
Member since Aug 2011
1330 posts
Posted on 11/6/11 at 1:06 pm to
I am in the minority. I do think that we need to force an OC/playcaller on Sherman for 2012. However, he has assembled a hell of a lot of talent on offense. I want to see if his West Coast offense can succeed in the SEC. I would hate to fire Sherm at the end of this season, get another West Coast offense guy, and then learn next year that he was the wrong guy.
Posted by twk
Wichita Falls, Texas
Member since Jul 2011
2115 posts
Posted on 11/6/11 at 1:16 pm to
There are a lot of mad folks spouting off about the A&M coaching situation. Sherman is in trouble, but with the financial hit A&M will likely take from having to pay the Big XII an significant exit fee, and the competitive hit we're likely to take on the field next year, I'm not sure that we'll make a change this year. It would sort of be like brining in a relief pitcher and asking him to throw an intentional walk to the first batter.

Sherman will probably have to make the ritual staff sacrifice, but I bet he gets a reprieve, especially considering that the AD is very near the end of his tenure--probably wouldn't be a good idea to make a change and saddle the new guy with someone else's choice as HC, with a long term contract.
This post was edited on 11/6/11 at 1:18 pm
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