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My Super Conference Plan (Long)
Posted on 9/8/11 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 9/8/11 at 2:21 pm
I want to start by saying I hate conference expansion. I love everything about college football as is: the exciting regular season, tradition, and rivalries chief among them. But, with recent events I decided to map out how I would form superconferences. It is certainly not perfect, but you get what you ask for when you do something like this in the first place. To make this work, I have Miami(FL) going independent after a possible death penalty and Utah State and Idaho losing D1A status.
BCS Conferences
PAC-16
North: Washington, Washington State, Oregon, Oregon State
West: Cal, Stanford, USC, UCLA
South: Utah, Colorado, Arizona, Arizona State
East: OU, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas Tech
North-West Playoff: Candlestick Park
South-East Playoff: Invesco Field
Championship Game: University of Phoenix Stadium
Big- 16
West: Nebraska, Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri
North: Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Iowa
South: Indiana, Purdue, Notre Dame, Northwestern
East: Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Penn State
West-North Playoff: Edward Jones Stadium
South-East Playoff: Soldier Field
Championship Game: Lucas Oil Stadium
ACC
South: North Carolina, Duke, North Carolina State, Clemson
East: Maryland, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest
West: Louisville, Cincinnati, Navy, Pittsburgh
North: Syracuse, Boston College, UConn, Rutgers
South-East Playoff: Bank of America Stadium
West North Playoff: Meadowlands Stadium
Championship Game: FedEx Field
SEC
West: Texas A&M, Arkansas, LSU, Mississippi State
South: Ole Miss, Vanderbilt, Alabama, Auburn
East: Florida, Florida State, Georgia, Georgia Tech
North: South Carolina, Tennessee, Kentucky, West Virginia
West-South Playoff: Superdome
East-North Playoff: LP Colliseum
Championship Game: Georgia Dome
Non AQ Conferences
Mountain West
West: San Jose State, Fresno State, San Diego State, Hawaii
North: Boise State, BYU, UNLV, Nevada
South: Colorado State, Air Force, New Mexico, Wyoming
East: TCU, SMU, Baylor, New Mexico State
West-North Playoff: Sam Boyd Stadium
South-East Playoff: Cowboys Stadium
Championship Game: Invesco Field
MAC
West: Iowa State, Northern Illinois, Ball State, Western Michigan
North: Central Michigan, Eastern Michigan, Toledo, Bowling Green
South: Miami (Ohio), Ohio, Marshall, Akron
East: Kent State, Buffalo, Temple, Army
West-North Playoff: Soldier Field
South-East Playoff: Cleveland Browns Stadium
Championship Game: Ford Field
C-USA
West: Tulsa, Houston, Rice, UTEP, Louisiana Tech, Tulane
East: Memphis, Southern Miss, UAB, East Carolina, Central Florida, South Florida
Championship Game: Superdome
Sunbelt
Arkansas State, Troy, Middle Tennessee, North Texas, Western Kentucky, UL-Monroe, UL-Lafayette Florida Atlantic, Florida International
16 Team Conference Format:
9 Conference Games
All 3 against your pod, 2/4 against each other pod
12 Team Conference Format:
8 Conference Games
All 5 against your division, 3/6 against the other division
9 Team Conference Format:
8 Conference Games
Round robin
NCAA Playoff Format:
4 AQ Conference Champions(Seeded 1-4)
1 Top Ranked Non AQ Conference Champions & 3 Top Ranked At Large Teams ( Seeded 5-8)
BCS Conferences
PAC-16
North: Washington, Washington State, Oregon, Oregon State
West: Cal, Stanford, USC, UCLA
South: Utah, Colorado, Arizona, Arizona State
East: OU, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas Tech
North-West Playoff: Candlestick Park
South-East Playoff: Invesco Field
Championship Game: University of Phoenix Stadium
Big- 16
West: Nebraska, Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri
North: Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Iowa
South: Indiana, Purdue, Notre Dame, Northwestern
East: Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Penn State
West-North Playoff: Edward Jones Stadium
South-East Playoff: Soldier Field
Championship Game: Lucas Oil Stadium
ACC
South: North Carolina, Duke, North Carolina State, Clemson
East: Maryland, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest
West: Louisville, Cincinnati, Navy, Pittsburgh
North: Syracuse, Boston College, UConn, Rutgers
South-East Playoff: Bank of America Stadium
West North Playoff: Meadowlands Stadium
Championship Game: FedEx Field
SEC
West: Texas A&M, Arkansas, LSU, Mississippi State
South: Ole Miss, Vanderbilt, Alabama, Auburn
East: Florida, Florida State, Georgia, Georgia Tech
North: South Carolina, Tennessee, Kentucky, West Virginia
West-South Playoff: Superdome
East-North Playoff: LP Colliseum
Championship Game: Georgia Dome
Non AQ Conferences
Mountain West
West: San Jose State, Fresno State, San Diego State, Hawaii
North: Boise State, BYU, UNLV, Nevada
South: Colorado State, Air Force, New Mexico, Wyoming
East: TCU, SMU, Baylor, New Mexico State
West-North Playoff: Sam Boyd Stadium
South-East Playoff: Cowboys Stadium
Championship Game: Invesco Field
MAC
West: Iowa State, Northern Illinois, Ball State, Western Michigan
North: Central Michigan, Eastern Michigan, Toledo, Bowling Green
South: Miami (Ohio), Ohio, Marshall, Akron
East: Kent State, Buffalo, Temple, Army
West-North Playoff: Soldier Field
South-East Playoff: Cleveland Browns Stadium
Championship Game: Ford Field
C-USA
West: Tulsa, Houston, Rice, UTEP, Louisiana Tech, Tulane
East: Memphis, Southern Miss, UAB, East Carolina, Central Florida, South Florida
Championship Game: Superdome
Sunbelt
Arkansas State, Troy, Middle Tennessee, North Texas, Western Kentucky, UL-Monroe, UL-Lafayette Florida Atlantic, Florida International
16 Team Conference Format:
9 Conference Games
All 3 against your pod, 2/4 against each other pod
12 Team Conference Format:
8 Conference Games
All 5 against your division, 3/6 against the other division
9 Team Conference Format:
8 Conference Games
Round robin
NCAA Playoff Format:
4 AQ Conference Champions(Seeded 1-4)
1 Top Ranked Non AQ Conference Champions & 3 Top Ranked At Large Teams ( Seeded 5-8)
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Posted on 9/8/11 at 2:26 pm to KJA
Obviously there would have to be teams left out, but I don't see UCF or USF being left out of AQ conferences for teams like UConn or Navy to be in.
Posted on 9/8/11 at 2:28 pm to KJA
This would be an awesome plan, but I'm not sure if all of the extra games will be welcomed. Theoretically, the teams playing in the championship game will have played 5 more games than teams that didn't qualify for any of the playoffs.
Posted on 9/8/11 at 2:31 pm to KJA
i see no need for 4 divisions and a conf semi final game.
9 conf games. 7 within the division, 2 rotating out of division games. 1 champ game.
also, if we end up going to 16 team super conferences, i am pretty sure we will see a succession from the ncaa in football and those conferences will hold the national champ bcs game in a +1 type format
9 conf games. 7 within the division, 2 rotating out of division games. 1 champ game.
also, if we end up going to 16 team super conferences, i am pretty sure we will see a succession from the ncaa in football and those conferences will hold the national champ bcs game in a +1 type format
Posted on 9/8/11 at 2:31 pm to KJA
quote:
Big- 16
West: Nebraska, Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri
You will have to find another team, cause that will never happen. ND is probably the only non-AAU school they would accept.
Posted on 9/8/11 at 2:33 pm to KJA
quote:
West-South Playoff: Superdome East-North Playoff: LP Colliseum Championship Game: Georgia Dome
Move East-North playoff to Jerry's World, move East-North to GA Dome, and championship to Superdome.
Posted on 9/8/11 at 3:12 pm to jcole4lsu
I really disagree with that. Only playing 2/8 teams in the other division seems silly and means you'll go long stretches without playing a team. 4 Pods, surprisingly, makes it seem more like a cohesive conference and allows for more exciting cross sectional matchups.
Posted on 9/8/11 at 3:14 pm to KJA
quote:
KJA
are you old enough to remember the old sec? we went years without playing certain teams. the 4 pod system isnt happening.
Posted on 9/8/11 at 3:19 pm to jcole4lsu
no I'm not actually. I still think it'd be worth it to try to play a fair percentage of teams. Is your concern the extra game involved or do you just want to only have 2 divisions/conference from a purist standpoint?Posted on 9/8/11 at 3:27 pm to KJA
im in no way, shape, or form a purist.
however i do not think any extra games will be added unless its in a +1 format to determine a national championship.
take a second and go look up how often lsu would play certain teams back before the 12 team sec we have today.
we have played aTm more times than Vandy or UGA.
however i do not think any extra games will be added unless its in a +1 format to determine a national championship.
take a second and go look up how often lsu would play certain teams back before the 12 team sec we have today.
we have played aTm more times than Vandy or UGA.
Posted on 9/8/11 at 3:27 pm to jcole4lsu
quote:
also, if we end up going to 16 team super conferences, i am pretty sure we will see a succession from the ncaa in football and those conferences will hold the national champ bcs game in a +1 type format
4 team playoff instead of +1
Posted on 9/8/11 at 3:36 pm to The Easter Bunny
I think a 4 team playoff is my least favorite scenario because it would probably keep out the top non-AQ team or a 1 loss SEC runner up or something like that. It wouldnt make any improvement on the current system in that regard. An actual +1 would be interesting but would still result in HUGE controversy every year
Posted on 9/8/11 at 3:46 pm to KJA
well we are never going past a 4 team playoff, so someone is getting left out.
if we go to 16 team super conferences, my guess is only 4 will emerge and those champions will be it.
best case for the non AQs is that the bevo 9 find 3 more teams and remain a viable conference. that would keep the status quo, giving non AQs a shot at a bcs game at least.
if we go to 16 team super conferences, my guess is only 4 will emerge and those champions will be it.
best case for the non AQs is that the bevo 9 find 3 more teams and remain a viable conference. that would keep the status quo, giving non AQs a shot at a bcs game at least.
Posted on 9/9/11 at 12:49 am to jcole4lsu
where is Miami didn't see them in any confrence
Posted on 9/9/11 at 2:00 am to KJA
I'll go ahead and post what I drew up very quickly. In short:
*Pac-12 adds the Big X's South 4
*TAMU jumps to the SEC
*The rest of the Big X gets busted to non-AQ conferences somewhere (idgaf about the non-superconferences)
*The Big 12 raids the Big East and swipes the Northeast (Pitt, Cuse, UConn, Rutgers)
*SEC takes its turn and takes TCU, West Virginia and South Florida
*ACC finishes off the Big East by taking Villanova, Cincinnati and Louisville
*ACC adds Central Florida from the Conference-USA
*ACC redoes its divisions to stop being fricking stupid
Pac-16 Coastal: Washington, Washington State, Oregon, Oregon State, California, Stanford, Southern Cal, Central Los Angeles
Pac-16 Inland: Arizona, Arizona State, Utah, Colorado, Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State
Big 16 East: Penn State, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, Syracuse, Connecticut, Ohio State, Indiana, Purdue
Big 16 West: Michigan, Michigan State, Illinois, Northwestern, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa, Nebraska
SEC West: Texas A&M, Texas Christian, Arkansas, LSU, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Alabama, Auburn
SEC East: South Florida, Florida, South Carolina, West Virginia, Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Georgia
ACC South: Florida State, Miami (FL), Central Florida, Georgia Tech, NC State, North Carolina, Duke, Wake Forest
ACC North: Clemson, Virginia Tech, Virginia, Maryland, Boston College, Louisville, Cincinnati, Villanova
*Pac-12 adds the Big X's South 4
*TAMU jumps to the SEC
*The rest of the Big X gets busted to non-AQ conferences somewhere (idgaf about the non-superconferences)
*The Big 12 raids the Big East and swipes the Northeast (Pitt, Cuse, UConn, Rutgers)
*SEC takes its turn and takes TCU, West Virginia and South Florida
*ACC finishes off the Big East by taking Villanova, Cincinnati and Louisville
*ACC adds Central Florida from the Conference-USA
*ACC redoes its divisions to stop being fricking stupid
Pac-16 Coastal: Washington, Washington State, Oregon, Oregon State, California, Stanford, Southern Cal, Central Los Angeles
Pac-16 Inland: Arizona, Arizona State, Utah, Colorado, Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State
Big 16 East: Penn State, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, Syracuse, Connecticut, Ohio State, Indiana, Purdue
Big 16 West: Michigan, Michigan State, Illinois, Northwestern, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa, Nebraska
SEC West: Texas A&M, Texas Christian, Arkansas, LSU, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Alabama, Auburn
SEC East: South Florida, Florida, South Carolina, West Virginia, Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Georgia
ACC South: Florida State, Miami (FL), Central Florida, Georgia Tech, NC State, North Carolina, Duke, Wake Forest
ACC North: Clemson, Virginia Tech, Virginia, Maryland, Boston College, Louisville, Cincinnati, Villanova
Posted on 9/9/11 at 9:23 am to bgator85
quote:Agreed. These are both up and comers. And as for the SEC plan as presented in OP, I think I might want to flip So Carolina and Vandy, so that Vandy is in the North with traditional rival Tennessee and South Carolina is in the mix with UM, AL, AU. Plus USC might really want to be in the East with GA, so there might need to be some trading with the North and the East to get that right. Probably there will just need to be more work on "designated rivalries" out of division, to keep these rivalry games in the schedule rotations. Doubtful everybody would be happy, regardless. But it has some merit.
I don't see UCF or USF being left out of AQ conferences for teams like UConn or Navy to be in.
The other BIG questions is this: What happens to the bowl games? These are cash cows for the sponsoring cities and sort of a holiday season way of life for most Americans. It will not do to simply say, "Oh, but we have playoffs now." Without the bowls, or with a strongly curtailed bowl schedule, there will be some seriously negative economic fallout and some unhappy and mighty powerful opposition to this plan as presented.
This post was edited on 9/9/11 at 9:26 am
Posted on 9/9/11 at 9:27 am to JawjaTigah
quote:
The other BIG questions is this: What happens to the bowl games? These are cash cows for the sponsoring cities and sort of a holiday season way of life for most Americans. It will not do to simply say, "Oh, but we have playoffs now." Without the bowls, or with a strongly curtailed bowl schedule, there will be some seriously negative economic fallout and some unhappy and mighty powerful opposition to this plan as presented.
nothing happens to bowl games. They still invite eligible teams post season
Posted on 9/9/11 at 9:35 am to baytiger
quote:
nothing happens to bowl games. They still invite eligible teams post season
And what weeks will these playoffs and bowls be happening? Because conference playoffs already tend to be at the ends of regular seasons (post-season), with divisions added, there will be at least one extra playoff week to settle who wins the two positions for the conference championship. Not to mention some of the smaller bowls tend to begin around that same post-season time, but these small bowls are still important economically to the host cities and to the teams invited. It's not so simple as to say - "Oh, they'll play as usual," if you really look at the scheduling weeks that are available. Quite a few of the bowls are holiday (calendar) dependent; you can't expect people to travel when they are supposed to be at work. And as an incidental concern, there are final exams for the student athletes to consider, and the start of a Spring semester (how long can a season be stretched before it bumps into the next semester?).
This post was edited on 9/9/11 at 9:39 am
Posted on 9/9/11 at 10:03 am to JawjaTigah
quote:
Quite a few of the bowls are holiday (calendar) dependent
and the bowl season spans like 3 weeks.. a playoff could easily be held in that span
Some of the major bowls will be redesignated as playoff sites, others will just invite non-playoff eligible (but still bowl eligible) teams and play alongside the playoff season
Posted on 9/9/11 at 12:09 pm to baytiger
quote:This assumes each conference is on the exact same conference championship game schedule. What if that doesn't happen?
bowl season spans like 3 weeks.. a playoff could easily be held in that span
Also, who gets to schedule these things? And...
quote:Again, I don't mean to be picky but the actual scheduling of these things is probably a lot trickier than it might look at first glance. Just saying "do it this way or that" doesn't take into consideration the different human components in making important group decisions. These are real considerations.
Some of the major bowls will be redesignated as playoff sites
I am not saying it is impossible, but I am saying there is always the law of unintended consequences that becomes a factor at some point along the way. The bowls as they have been are imperfect and imprecise, but in an imprecise sport, they have worked over the years to allow many teams and their fans to have some rewards and bragging rights at the end, without forcing the issue of who is really, really, truly the best, numero uno, top team, whatever you want to call it. For instance, it's really fun to speculate on what might have happened if LSU and USC had met for that one big showdown game in 2003 - but if they had met, one team would come out on top - and the other team and fanbase would be left with an also-ran. Sometimes I think it's almost better to let a couple of contenders smolder in the embers of what might have been, without demanding that only one (which may or may not have had a lesser regular season record) be crowned undisputed champ. I know that is heresy to some who favor playoffs, but that's my feeling.
Later: From Ivan Maisel LINK
quote:
Everyone assumes that 16-team leagues are inevitable. There has been little discussion of the logistical nightmares hidden within. Schedules don’t balance. Teams could go seven seasons without playing each other. That’s a conference? “They aren’t conferences. They are consortiums,” Mountain West Conference commissioner Craig Thompson told me. His league was created in 1999 when eight members seceded after playing three years in the 16-team WAC. Super conferences may bring riches. But they’ll bring problems, too.
This post was edited on 9/9/11 at 6:57 pm
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