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re: FSU meeting and SEC
Posted on 9/18/11 at 6:09 pm to jturn17
Posted on 9/18/11 at 6:09 pm to jturn17
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but you have nothing but conjecture
this
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where would they move? only the SEC is an option Slive has said all expansion increases the SEC footprint... how does FSU do that? UF will clearly protest FSU's move to the sec 20m buyout to leave ACC ACC expanding to 16 FSU is a giant in the SEC and would be just another good team in the SEC. this would drop their bowl revenue
seems to have a bit of credence behind it other than
"well the are holding a meeting, they must be thinking of leaving"
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Posted on 9/18/11 at 6:12 pm to jturn17
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This doesn't mean it's even likely. Only that I'm tired of you running around on this thread degrading everyone who says it's possible
I don't think he has been, to be honest with you. I think jcole has given evidence as well as stats showing that a FSU move to the SEC would NOT benefit them, monetary or recruiting wise.
I think you are truly underestimating how the ACC would react to FSU leaving. It won't just be a "bluff" lawsuit like Baylor tried, there will be one.
Posted on 9/18/11 at 6:15 pm to SaKi
What would be the cause of action? Leaving a conference and paying the buyout fee like every other school is doing? It's like not them leaving would destroy the conference like Baylor was suggesting.
Posted on 9/18/11 at 6:15 pm to jcole4lsu
This
Does not make "zero chance" of leaving as you pompously claimed. In fact it involves a LOT more assumptions such as UF changing their position on FSU since the last expansion. Admit it you know that in the back of your mind there is a chance that FSU is discussing leaving for the SEC. Why hasnt Duke and UNC announced that they called their boards to a meeting. How about Miami? In your scenario the only school that has announced a board meeting that wasnt thinking about leaving their conference is FSU. OU A&M UT etc all announced one of these meetings and the result was they were looking for a new conference
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where would they move? only the SEC is an option Slive has said all expansion increases the SEC footprint... how does FSU do that? UF will clearly protest FSU's move to the sec 20m buyout to leave ACC ACC expanding to 16 FSU is a giant in the SEC and would be just another good team in the SEC. this would drop their bowl revenue
seems to have a bit of credence behind it other than
"well the are holding a meeting, they must be thinking of leaving"
Does not make "zero chance" of leaving as you pompously claimed. In fact it involves a LOT more assumptions such as UF changing their position on FSU since the last expansion. Admit it you know that in the back of your mind there is a chance that FSU is discussing leaving for the SEC. Why hasnt Duke and UNC announced that they called their boards to a meeting. How about Miami? In your scenario the only school that has announced a board meeting that wasnt thinking about leaving their conference is FSU. OU A&M UT etc all announced one of these meetings and the result was they were looking for a new conference
Posted on 9/18/11 at 6:18 pm to Adam Banks
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Admit it you know that in the back of your mind there is a chance that FSU is discussing leaving for the SEC.
i believe there is zero chance FSU leaves the ACC. period.
i have given plenty of reasons why it makes no sense for FSU, and Mike Slive has provided information that also discredits FSU's inclusion.
Posted on 9/18/11 at 6:20 pm to jcole4lsu
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i believe there is zero chance FSU leaves the ACC. period.
Then you are an idiot.
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Mike Slive
Also claimed there was not a 14th team in the works
Posted on 9/18/11 at 6:20 pm to jturn17
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Leaving a conference and paying the buyout fee like every other school is doing?
I agree with your last statement because, in truth, it won't destroy the ACC.
However, a lawsuit plus a buyout plus possible losing of BCS bowl money every year leads me to believe FSU is staying put.
Why leave a conference when you have dominated said conference since joining in 1991?
Stupidity maybe? Greed? Both terrible reasons.
Posted on 9/18/11 at 6:22 pm to Adam Banks
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Then you are an idiot.
uh huh.
give a % then. 1%? 5%? 25% chance of fsu leaving?
if its either of the first 2 than you are a dumbass for throwing a fit to discredit my theory. if its 25% then well, lol.
Posted on 9/18/11 at 6:24 pm to jcole4lsu
You're making a lot of assumptions there.
Link me where UF has said they'll block FSU. There's many arguments to be made that UF should welcome FSU. (Easier OOC schedule, FSU already recruits well)
How do you know what Slive considers "increasing the SEC footprint"? He may be simply talking about TV viewers. UF doesn't have 100% of FL. FSU has a very big following not only in FLA, but also Nationally. Until you show me actual evidence that FSU doesn't increase the SECs TV footprint in FLA or Nationally or that Slive says they won't, then that's just another assumption you're making.
Why does a 20$ million buyout kill it? TAMU's was supposed to be 30 and has been negotiated down to around 12-15$. So $5 million dollars is a deal breaker? FSU has a very wealthy and powerful booster network. If the boosters want to move to the SEC, they'll do it.
Again I'm not saying that they're going to move to the SEC. Only that it's not impossible. I don't have access to the information that these Boards have, and neither do you. They may think that moving to the SEC will increase their revenue even with a possible drop in bowl revenue, simply by having a high viewership throughout the season, and increased stadium ticket sells/concessions, etc. This is possible since the OU game last night as their first sell out in 2 years.
Link me where UF has said they'll block FSU. There's many arguments to be made that UF should welcome FSU. (Easier OOC schedule, FSU already recruits well)
How do you know what Slive considers "increasing the SEC footprint"? He may be simply talking about TV viewers. UF doesn't have 100% of FL. FSU has a very big following not only in FLA, but also Nationally. Until you show me actual evidence that FSU doesn't increase the SECs TV footprint in FLA or Nationally or that Slive says they won't, then that's just another assumption you're making.
Why does a 20$ million buyout kill it? TAMU's was supposed to be 30 and has been negotiated down to around 12-15$. So $5 million dollars is a deal breaker? FSU has a very wealthy and powerful booster network. If the boosters want to move to the SEC, they'll do it.
Again I'm not saying that they're going to move to the SEC. Only that it's not impossible. I don't have access to the information that these Boards have, and neither do you. They may think that moving to the SEC will increase their revenue even with a possible drop in bowl revenue, simply by having a high viewership throughout the season, and increased stadium ticket sells/concessions, etc. This is possible since the OU game last night as their first sell out in 2 years.
Posted on 9/18/11 at 6:27 pm to jturn17
To me FSU is the key to making sure that the SEC stays on top.
Posted on 9/18/11 at 6:29 pm to jcole4lsu
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throwing a fit
I never was "throwing a fit" just showing that your logic had flaws and involved just as much internet rumor and theory as anyone elses. While you tried to be an e badass saying stuff like "feel free to discredit my logic. im waiting"
Id say its around 25-30% maybe a little higher.....The ACC is going about this thing the wrong way. They are trying to become a basketball conference when the money is all about football. IF it wasnt then Kansas would be a hot commodity. The further north the ACC goes and the more basketball the less FSU and the ACC's values mesh. I have no idea about how the ACC revenue is shared therefore I dont know how FSU's budget is affected by BCS bowl berths other then varying amounts of sidewalk alumni. If they move to the SEC then they will have a guaranteed increase due to increasing TV money. Once again TV money comes from football not basketball.
This post was edited on 9/18/11 at 6:30 pm
Posted on 9/18/11 at 6:32 pm to Adam Banks
You also forget that the head football coach (who is their future), spent a lot of time in and around the SEC.
The last time this came up, Bowden had A LOT of say in moving to the ACC.
The last time this came up, Bowden had A LOT of say in moving to the ACC.
This post was edited on 9/18/11 at 6:34 pm
Posted on 9/18/11 at 6:34 pm to Duckie
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The last time this came up, Bowden had A LOT of say in moving to the ACC
But Bowden had been there quite a while and held a lot of power. Jimbo Fisher is still new and doesn't hold the clout Bowden had.
Posted on 9/18/11 at 6:36 pm to Quidam65
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But Bowden had been there quite a while and held a lot of power. Jimbo Fisher is still new and doesn't hold the clout Bowden had.
True, but if you don't think the head football coach at a football school doesn't have a say, you're probably wrong imo.
I would imagine Jimbo wants the SEC.
Posted on 9/18/11 at 7:42 pm to Duckie
Like I said before... Their president just voted to INCREASE the buyout to 20 million. They are staying put.
You can argue all you want but that put the nail in the coffin on the FSU to SEC talk.
You can argue all you want but that put the nail in the coffin on the FSU to SEC talk.
Posted on 9/18/11 at 7:45 pm to Duckie
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I would imagine Jimbo wants the SEC.
jimbo has zero say in this. only a legend coach like stoops or joepa would have any real clout.
this decision is made by presidents and ADs
Posted on 9/18/11 at 9:47 pm to jcole4lsu
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give a % then. 1%? 5%? 25% chance of fsu leaving?
if its either of the first 2 than you are a dumbass for throwing a fit to discredit my theory. if its 25% then well, lol.
I appreciate your passion on this subject. I'm not gonna throw out some meaningless number on the chances of FSU leaving, it's a dumb exercise. One thing I can tell you with 100% certainty, there is no way that there is 0% chance of this happening. Things are changing hourly anything can happen.
Posted on 9/18/11 at 9:52 pm to gatorrocks
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Their president just voted to INCREASE the buyout to 20 million. They are staying put.
You can argue all you want but that put the nail in the coffin on the FSU to SEC talk.
THIS
are people NOT paying attention?
this has been said today least 50 times
Posted on 9/18/11 at 10:41 pm to TheDoc
I for one am sick and tired of everyone saying that FSU would never leave the ACC because they dominate the conference, already have an easy road to a BCS bowl and they don't want the competition of the SEC. If this was a school's only motivation then why aren't the dregs of the SEC fighting to leave for the Big East or the ACC or to build a new Big 12. The same reason that people don't leave The Country Club of Louisiana for a trailer park just because their neighbor has a bigger house or makes more money. If the SEC asks FSU to join the ranks of college football's elite they will have a hard time controlling their collective hard-on long enough to sign the paper work. Now if you can find a logical argument to this analogy anywhere else in society I would love to hear it.
Posted on 9/18/11 at 10:58 pm to Camp Randall
good at baseball too
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