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re: Why would Jack Del Rio make a good college coach? Really?
Posted on 1/12/10 at 2:17 pm to Maximus
Posted on 1/12/10 at 2:17 pm to Maximus
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can you not read? How many of those unsuccessful all-NFL dummies that couldn't step up to the BIG LEAGUES of NCAA were head coaches who were able to retain the same job for 7+ years or were NFL head coaches for an exteneded period of time at all?
This post made no sense to me at all... we must be having different discussions. I dunno where the 7 year stuff came from either... must be a number you or someone else used in the thread
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Posted on 1/12/10 at 2:17 pm to OBUDan
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How so?
Obviously there is a salary cap that limits roster signings etc. but as Cash mentioned, you still need plenty of money for stadium upgrades, coaching hires, facilities etc. etc. etc.
The really big money in the NFL, TV and radio broadcasting, are shared equally. Merchandising and ticket sales are locally controlled and while the bigger markets have an advantage here, it is relatively small. Certainly not enough to put teams at a significant competitive disadvantage like in baseball, especially with the salary caps. How do you think Green Bay is able to exist?
Posted on 1/12/10 at 2:26 pm to molsusports
its JDR's experience. Its more relevant than saying "oh, he'll fail because the saints former special teams coach and the broncos WR coach couldnt make it."
Posted on 1/12/10 at 2:26 pm to Maximus
the cowboys former TE coach MADE IT
Posted on 1/12/10 at 2:27 pm to Maximus
I see
We're having different discussions and you're getting mad about it.
We're having different discussions and you're getting mad about it.
Posted on 1/12/10 at 2:38 pm to The Egg
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the cowboys former TE coach MADE IT
Chan Gailey disciple and Chan Gailey failed in the NCAA!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted on 1/12/10 at 2:41 pm to molsusports
Anyway, from the linked article in teh OP:
Below that they link the top 15 college coaches by winning percentage and point out all of them had substantial college experience and none of them have substantial NFL experience
SI link, scroll down for top 15 college coaches
Again, this is not to say someone couldn't buck the trend but I think it does tell you the much more commonly successful (and that's an understatement) approach is to hire from coaches that have a lot of college experience
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In 2007, I talked with USC's then-offensive coordinator Steve Sarkisian about the differing skill sets involved in college and professional coaching. Sarkisian, now the head coach at Washington, spent a year with the Oakland Raiders in between his two stints under Carroll.
"The hardest part, until you deal with it, is that you're managing 110 kids, and they all have their problems and their issues, whether it's their classes or their girlfriend or not playing enough," said Sarkisian. "Not every kid's going to come in and rush for 1,000 yards. They all think they will, but for the most part it's not going to happen. How do you keep them motivated? A lot of stuff goes into that."
The most puzzling aspect of college ADs' continued infatuation with NFL coaches is that it goes almost entirely against the mold of the prototypical college-coaching icon. In nearly every case, their training took place entirely at the college level.
Below that they link the top 15 college coaches by winning percentage and point out all of them had substantial college experience and none of them have substantial NFL experience
SI link, scroll down for top 15 college coaches
Again, this is not to say someone couldn't buck the trend but I think it does tell you the much more commonly successful (and that's an understatement) approach is to hire from coaches that have a lot of college experience
Posted on 1/12/10 at 2:52 pm to molsusports
If there are 1000 guys with college experience and no pro experience versus 15 random guys with NFL experience don't you think the 1000 guys would have just a wee better shot at having more successes?
Posted on 1/12/10 at 2:59 pm to Maximus
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If there are 1000 guys with college experience and no pro experience versus 15 random guys with NFL experience don't you think the 1000 guys would have just a wee better shot at having more successes?
I think that (every thing else being equal) a guy with college experience is more likely to know how to succeed in college
On a related point just because someone was successful in the NFL or college before doesn't mean that they will be again. Saban is remarkable for being someone who went to a different school and won a championship there.
Schools and fans get way too caught up in chasing names and reputations
Posted on 1/12/10 at 5:05 pm to Maximus
Makes you wonder why college ADs continue to select coaches with college experience.
If the best coaches are in the NFL, then you would think that in the last decade, more than one would have achieved moderate success.
As for me, I would not hire a guy to run my college program that had no first-hand knowledge of how to do so.
If the best coaches are in the NFL, then you would think that in the last decade, more than one would have achieved moderate success.
As for me, I would not hire a guy to run my college program that had no first-hand knowledge of how to do so.
Posted on 1/12/10 at 5:09 pm to Tiger Phil
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Makes you wonder why college ADs continue to select coaches with college experience
because NFL head coaches are beating down their doors begging to coach in college. Its Bill Bellichek's dream to be at Penn State, I bet.
Posted on 1/12/10 at 5:13 pm to molsusports
What's your point molsusports?
Is it this?
If you're arguing that no hire is risk-free, then I agree. However, that's an obvious point, and once again, no one is arguing that Del Rio WILL win multiple national championships. I've said that I believe he will win multiple national championships, but I certainly don't know that he will win national championships.
I believe everyone knows that no hire is risk free. The question is whether Del Rio would make a good college head coach and why. If you believe he would be a good college head coach, then explain why. If you believe that he would not be a good college head coach, then explain why. If you don't have an opinion other than sweeping generalizations such as a "guy with college experience is more likely to know how to succeed in college", please stop posting on this specific point. You certainly have not addressed the point of whether or not Del Rio would make a good college coach to my knowledge.
Is it this?
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I think that (every thing else being equal) a guy with college experience is more likely to know how to succeed in college
If you're arguing that no hire is risk-free, then I agree. However, that's an obvious point, and once again, no one is arguing that Del Rio WILL win multiple national championships. I've said that I believe he will win multiple national championships, but I certainly don't know that he will win national championships.
I believe everyone knows that no hire is risk free. The question is whether Del Rio would make a good college head coach and why. If you believe he would be a good college head coach, then explain why. If you believe that he would not be a good college head coach, then explain why. If you don't have an opinion other than sweeping generalizations such as a "guy with college experience is more likely to know how to succeed in college", please stop posting on this specific point. You certainly have not addressed the point of whether or not Del Rio would make a good college coach to my knowledge.
This post was edited on 1/12/10 at 5:14 pm
Posted on 1/12/10 at 5:32 pm to tuptiger
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What's your point molsusports?
Is it this?
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I think that (every thing else being equal) a guy with college experience is more likely to know how to succeed in college
If you're arguing that no hire is risk-free, then I agree. However, that's an obvious point,
The only thing that I can figure out is that he's trying to convince everyone that JDR is a bad hire compared to someone with college coaching experience. However, he's placed all his eggs in that basket and refuses to accept any other valid point of view. I'm ok with the argument, but why ask the question if immediatley discredit everyone elses reasons based on your own personal feelings/thoughts on the subject.
Every coach has pros and cons. You just have to weight them out against each other and decide what is more important to you as AD. In JDR's case, it is obvious that his pro coaching experience, attitude, relative success at a high level, connection to the school and big name are more appealing than the fact that he lacks college coaching experience.
Posted on 1/12/10 at 5:36 pm to Suntiger
My point in all this is that the evidence is so overwhelming that college coaches fail in the pros and NFL coaches fail in college that there would have to be some signifcant factor in a current NFL coach's favor in order for me to take the risk of hiring them.
I would submit that Del Rio's complete lack of experience in college only exacerbates that position. And that there is little in his past to suggest he could overcome that huge of an obstacle.
I would submit that Del Rio's complete lack of experience in college only exacerbates that position. And that there is little in his past to suggest he could overcome that huge of an obstacle.
Posted on 1/12/10 at 7:11 pm to Suntiger
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The only thing that I can figure out is that he's trying to convince everyone that JDR is a bad hire compared to someone with college coaching experience.
Well for starters I'm frustrated that most of the tards on this board who post (typically rude drivel with no thought put into it) give absolutely no consideration to one of the main qualifications for the job... an understanding of the college game - esp how things like recruiting, managing college students, and handling NCAA rules work
It is clear to anyone who reads my posts from this thread that I do not rule out coaches with no college experience... but I would consider them to be less desirable than a coach of similar quality with college experience
To say whether Jack Del Rio would be a good hire for a school would obviously be a relative judgement. He seems like a decent if not remarkable NFL coach... I don't have a strong opinion on whether he's likely to make it as a college coach because I've yet to even hear him definitively say he''s interested in being a college coach
Posted on 1/12/10 at 7:18 pm to tuptiger
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The question is whether Del Rio would make a good college head coach and why. If you believe he would be a good college head coach, then explain why
Exactly, please do so... I made reasonable points about the track record of college coaches and NFL coaches
what exactly did you contribute?
Posted on 1/12/10 at 10:20 pm to molsusports
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Exactly, please do so... I made reasonable points about the track record of college coaches and NFL coaches
...which is beside the point. The question is not whether there is a general trend of NFL coaches who have been failures as college head coaches. I agree with that.
The question is whether JDR would make a good college coach.
Posted on 1/12/10 at 10:21 pm to tuptiger
you bumped this thread? now?
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