re: Why does the coach have to be a great offensive mind?

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It was more about how dumb it was to say "well some of these guys weren't coordinators "
Come on...

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They weren't? who's dumber, one who is stating a factual statement or the other making shite up? hmmm.

So you are saying Clemson is the same as Michigan and Alabama? Don't think so.

I'm not quite understanding what you are trying to say. You say how many n.c.'s did nick saban have before lsu and Dantonio is doing better than saban at Michigan state. Are you saying Clemson is a school it's easier to win championships or get to the n.c. game than Michigan state?

The statement that was made was Swinny is one of the top four coaches in the game "today." Not three years ago, four years ago, etc. I'm not saying those guys aren't good coaches. I don't think they are "better" than swinny. I think what Swinny has done at Clemson, make them in the same class as the traditional powers, is amazing. He has methodically improved that program to be an elite program.

If we are going to start talking about three or four years ago, then throw les miles into the conversation.

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So you are saying Clemson is the same as Michigan and Alabama? Don't think so.

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What the hell are you talking about? I never said anything about any of those schools.

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I'm not quite understanding what you are trying to say. You say how many n.c.'s did nick saban have before lsu and Dantonio is doing better than saban at Michigan state. Are you saying Clemson is a school it's easier to win championships or get to the n.c. game than Michigan state?

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Since you seem to be jumping to conclusions and making rambling arguments so it is not surprising you don't understand a straight forward comment. You stated Patterson, Peterson and Dantonio are not top coaches because they haven't played for the NC. I meerly pointed out that Saban and Meyer never coached for one before going to LSU and Florida. This is a thread about what LSU wants in a new coach is it not? So if we applied that standard back in 1999, we would not have considered Nick Saban.

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Are you saying Clemson is a school it's easier to win championships or get to the n.c. game than Michigan state?

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I didn't specifically say anything about that, but actually yes. Clemson has always been a kind of "sleeping giant" of a program that i always thought should do better. MSU Football is the #2 program in its state and #2 sport on its own campus, so yes, what Dantonio has done is great, just as Dabo building up Clemson to elite status is great.

At least now i get your point, you are quibbling over a meaningless designation like "Top 4" coaches. Dabo Swinney is a great coach, so is Dantonio. It is asinine to say Dantonio is worse because his team got beat sooner in the playoff.

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If we are going to start talking about three or four years ago, then throw les miles into the conversation.

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if you judging coaches based solely on the current season, then your standards are out of whack. You have to look at an entire resume.

I think you're being intentionally obtuse or at least I hope so....you took one argument about proven coordinators to make the case for O and pointed out guys that were not. Well that's fine but its fricking stupid.

Harbaugh turned down a horrid program at SDSU, followed that up with turning Stanford into a contender, and then there was that whole taking the 49ers to the Super Bowl thing.

Urban Meyer built Bowling Green and Utah into winners before getting the UF job.

So yes neither may have been elite coordinators but they proved themselves as elite coaches and program builders before being given elite jobs. Hell, even without the title of coordinators I think most regard them as pretty damn good offensive minds. How many talk up Ogeron's mind as a defensive tactician when he's discussed?

Your argument is flawed and stupid.

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its like the person who yells "Tom Brady" every time a QB goes late or compares every short QB to Brees.

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Yup