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re: Why do you guys think Herman is our Ace?
Posted on 10/23/16 at 8:18 am to GEAUXmedic
Posted on 10/23/16 at 8:18 am to GEAUXmedic
Imo it's Sumlin 2.0
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Posted on 10/23/16 at 8:41 am to Fus0623
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Imo it's Sumlin 2.0
Interesting comparison since both were genius offensive guys coming out of Houston. Sumlin landed in fertile recruiting territory for an SEC program and had a big splash with Johnny football but has been middle of the pack since. He's had a good start this season before getting whooped by Bama.
His success has been similar to that of Miles' last 5-6 years. If that's what we get with Herman then I doubt the Tiger nation will be very satisfied.
Posted on 10/23/16 at 11:01 am to GEAUXmedic
Because LSU while established has shown even an avg coach like Miles can come in and maintain.
Imagine an above average coach who is actually an x and o's guy come in here with this talent.. Especially an offensive genius paired with Aranda.
LSU has shown to attract great DC's... if tey had an offensive HC genius I believe they can beat a Bama consistently and compete and be elite again.
You saw what he has done with elite talent against great defenses. He whipped Wisconsin and Alabama with a 3rd string QB.. the guy is still an offensive genius.. something LSU could use.. great with both qbs and rbs.
Houston does not have the talent people thought.. and he has done wonders with Ward a 3 star to get them to even compete.
My concern with O is that he has an absolutely LOADED team this year that was favored to win every game going into the season.. and were handcuffed.. they are now playing loose with 2 losses and Coach O gets to benefit from that. He's doing a great job this season.. I just wonder moving forward how long a rah rah motivator guy can do talent. Especially such a lovable guy. I do like that he holds players accountable and doesn't just play favorites.. so there is that..
But LSU has shown while established an avg Miles can come in and maintain. They have shown while loaded even O taken over can be a beast.
Imagine LSU with a real x and o's genius..
I don't care about what Houston is doing.
You should really go and check back Saban's years with Michigan St.. he beat some good teams, but he also got his arse beat by teams as well home slice..
Both guys are bright young geniuses.
LSU would thrive with a real x and o's coach IMO paired with the great DC's they attract.. Herman can scheme to beat great defenses. I don't care if his less talented Houston team has a total of 3 losses in 2 years.. they've beaten much superior teams. The loss to Navy had many miscues and they still nearly pulled it out. It was on the road to a now ranked team with an impressive home winning streak.. there's a ton of pressure on them to not lose.. they can never afford a loss.. and they never had the talent to keep it up.
Fisher has shown he can bring an established program quickly back to elite status already.. and he has proven how great he is with qbs as well as rbs.. and even defenses.. and he's great vs the SEC lol.
Coach O is a nice feel good, but I worry long term with yet another guy who is not really an x and o guy who just everyone loves and adores.
But it's whatever. Let's see what happens moving forward.
Imagine an above average coach who is actually an x and o's guy come in here with this talent.. Especially an offensive genius paired with Aranda.
LSU has shown to attract great DC's... if tey had an offensive HC genius I believe they can beat a Bama consistently and compete and be elite again.
You saw what he has done with elite talent against great defenses. He whipped Wisconsin and Alabama with a 3rd string QB.. the guy is still an offensive genius.. something LSU could use.. great with both qbs and rbs.
Houston does not have the talent people thought.. and he has done wonders with Ward a 3 star to get them to even compete.
My concern with O is that he has an absolutely LOADED team this year that was favored to win every game going into the season.. and were handcuffed.. they are now playing loose with 2 losses and Coach O gets to benefit from that. He's doing a great job this season.. I just wonder moving forward how long a rah rah motivator guy can do talent. Especially such a lovable guy. I do like that he holds players accountable and doesn't just play favorites.. so there is that..
But LSU has shown while established an avg Miles can come in and maintain. They have shown while loaded even O taken over can be a beast.
Imagine LSU with a real x and o's genius..
I don't care about what Houston is doing.
You should really go and check back Saban's years with Michigan St.. he beat some good teams, but he also got his arse beat by teams as well home slice..
Both guys are bright young geniuses.
LSU would thrive with a real x and o's coach IMO paired with the great DC's they attract.. Herman can scheme to beat great defenses. I don't care if his less talented Houston team has a total of 3 losses in 2 years.. they've beaten much superior teams. The loss to Navy had many miscues and they still nearly pulled it out. It was on the road to a now ranked team with an impressive home winning streak.. there's a ton of pressure on them to not lose.. they can never afford a loss.. and they never had the talent to keep it up.
Fisher has shown he can bring an established program quickly back to elite status already.. and he has proven how great he is with qbs as well as rbs.. and even defenses.. and he's great vs the SEC lol.
Coach O is a nice feel good, but I worry long term with yet another guy who is not really an x and o guy who just everyone loves and adores.
But it's whatever. Let's see what happens moving forward.
Posted on 10/23/16 at 11:02 am to Tiger Tracker
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Eta: currently Herman has one more win than O as HC.
Break it down more.
Show the rankings of teams beaten and the talent used.
Right now Coach O is winning games he should with an absolutely loaded LSU team finally opened up and playing relaxed.
Posted on 10/23/16 at 11:09 am to GEAUXmedic
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With different teams. Coach O is proving he can do it at LSU, which is all that matters. We don't need just a head coach that can win, we need one that connects with our base, and our players, and our students, and our fans. He does it all, and he wins. I'd rather have someone who can win at LSU than someone who just doesn't fit here.
As I have stated..
LSU has already shown a VERY average coach like Miles. LOOK AT HIS RECORD there.. Okie St actually got better AFTER him.. if Miles, who is not an x and o coach can come in at LSU while LSU is established.. and maintain.. imagine an above average x and o's coach at LSU.. the sky is the limit.. this is why LSU, to me, is the most attractive job in the country.. they have shown they can withstand a coaching change, even with a meh hire..
Look now, even when Miles got stale, yet another coach, who is not really an x and o guy.. and a lovable character has come in and motivated success with the talent.
I worry about the longevity of getting by with just that. What happens if the OC hire doesn't work out.. or the DC.. now you are stuck trying to fix both sides of the ball..
Like I said..
Urban has OC's leave all the time, he's still going to always field great offenses. That is a beautiful thing to have.
Saban has DC's leave now.. does it even matter? No..
Both are genius at their side of the ball.. but both lose games they shouldn't..
Look at Bielema now.. lol.. everyone was pumping this dude up.. look at how horrific he has been.. then everyone just a week ago was actually considering his OC hire Enos? and now look at how shitty their offense was..
Herman knows how to scheme to beat superior defenses, especially when he has equal talent or close to.. he will always have that at LSU.. and he can afford 1 loss at LSU.
Regardless, I think LSU can have elite success as long as they hire an above avg coach.
Posted on 10/23/16 at 11:18 am to GEAUXmedic
BTW,
Tell me how many DL only coaches have had elite success as HC?
Again, he's never even been a DC.
I know Dabo was only a WR coach, so he was a position coach.. but seems to be very offensive minded.
but I would be interested to know how many elite HC's who were strictly DL coaches. Genuinely asking.
Tell me how many DL only coaches have had elite success as HC?
Again, he's never even been a DC.
I know Dabo was only a WR coach, so he was a position coach.. but seems to be very offensive minded.
but I would be interested to know how many elite HC's who were strictly DL coaches. Genuinely asking.
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1995–1997?—?Beginning in 1995, Saban moderately improved MSU's fortunes, taking the Spartans to minor bowl games (all of which they lost by double-digit margins) in each of his first three seasons. From 1995 to 1997, Michigan State finished 6–5–1, 6–6, and 7–5. In comparison, MSU had finished 5–6, 6–6 and 5–6 (prior to NCAA forfeits) in 1992–1994. 1998?—?On November 7, 1998, the Spartans upset the No. 1 ranked Ohio State 28–24 at Ohio Stadium. However, even after the upset and an early-season rout of then-highly ranked Notre Dame the Spartans finished 6–6, including three last-minute losses featuring turnovers, defensive lapses, and special-teams misplays, and failed to earn a bowl invitation. 1999?—?Saban led the Spartans to a 9–2 season that included wins over Notre Dame, Michigan, Ohio State, and Penn State. However, the two losses were routs at the hands of Purdue and Wisconsin. Following the final regular-season game against Penn State, Saban abruptly resigned to accept the head coaching position with LSU. Saban's assistant head coach and successor, Bobby Williams, then coached MSU to a Citrus Bowl victory over Florida It's easy to have immediate instant success early on with established teams.., giving the Spartans an overall record of 10–2 for the 1999 season. It would be the best season in terms of wins for the Spartans since 1965, and it would see the Spartans reach their highest ranking since the 1966 team.[20] Future NFL head coach Josh McDaniels served as a graduate assistant on Saban's 1999 coaching staff.
Posted on 10/23/16 at 11:27 am to GEAUXmedic
BTW I see PJ Fleck is another hot choice..
Another WR position coach only.. but offensive side of the ball..
but even he...
So the next season he only dropped 4.
Herman has still only dropped 3 games in 2 years and beaten highly ranked teams with much inferior talent.. and as I said, he has proven what he can do offensively with elite talent at OSU.. they struggled to find their groove initially without him.. and even Meyer just dropped a game he shouldn't.. It happens.
Another WR position coach only.. but offensive side of the ball..
but even he...
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Fleck's first season as Broncos head coach resulted in a final record of 1–11 (1–7 Mid-American Conference (MAC)). It was the program's worst season since 2004, when the Broncos went 1–10 (0–7 MAC). Injuries, youth and inexperience, discipline, and execution led to poor play.[20] Low-lights included a home loss to Nicholls State, a blowout loss to Iowa, and a homecoming loss to Buffalo. The team improved their play late in the season, with a road win against UMass, and close home losses to in-state rivals Eastern Michigan and Central Michigan.[21] Despite the on-field difficulties in 2013, Fleck and his staff succeeded off the field by signing a highly-ranked recruiting class. Observers noted that it was possibly the best recruiting class in WMU history, and the best in the MAC since 2000.[22][23] Rivals.com had the WMU class ranked highest among "mid-major" programs for 2014, with 247Sports.com ranking the class 36th-best nationally for 2015.[24]
So the next season he only dropped 4.
Herman has still only dropped 3 games in 2 years and beaten highly ranked teams with much inferior talent.. and as I said, he has proven what he can do offensively with elite talent at OSU.. they struggled to find their groove initially without him.. and even Meyer just dropped a game he shouldn't.. It happens.
Posted on 10/23/16 at 11:30 am to GEAUXmedic
Just saw this as well on him
So he's really a great recruiter compared to the rest of the competition.. so he's loading up on talent and has better talent than the rest.
Yet.. To open the season, WMU lost to No. 5 Michigan State 37–24 at home in Waldo Stadium. The matchup marked the first time that WMU had hosted a Big Ten Conference opponent since 2007 (Indiana). The following week, they lost to Georgia Southern 43–17. In week 3 they beat Murray State at home 52–20. In week 4 they lost at No. 1 Ohio State by a score of 38–12.
Yet Herman with 3 star talent beats highly nationally ranked teams, and you worry about him dropping 3 games in just 2 seasons.
and again this was 2015
HIS 3RD season in the program.
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Fleck and WMU had the highest-rated recruiting class in the MAC for the third consecutive year.[31]
So he's really a great recruiter compared to the rest of the competition.. so he's loading up on talent and has better talent than the rest.
Yet.. To open the season, WMU lost to No. 5 Michigan State 37–24 at home in Waldo Stadium. The matchup marked the first time that WMU had hosted a Big Ten Conference opponent since 2007 (Indiana). The following week, they lost to Georgia Southern 43–17. In week 3 they beat Murray State at home 52–20. In week 4 they lost at No. 1 Ohio State by a score of 38–12.
Yet Herman with 3 star talent beats highly nationally ranked teams, and you worry about him dropping 3 games in just 2 seasons.
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WMU finished the 2015 regular season with a record of 7–5 (6–2 MAC). 7 of the 12 opponents ultimately appeared in a bowl game. The 7–5 record earned WMU a bowl berth for the second straight year – the first time in program history that the team made bowl appearances in consecutive seasons.[33] On December 24, 2015, the Broncos defeated the Middle Tennessee Blue Raiders in the Bahamas Bowl by a score of 45–31. The bowl win was the first in program history – WMU was previously 0–6 in postseason bowl games.
and again this was 2015
HIS 3RD season in the program.
Posted on 10/23/16 at 11:31 am to jamalsdeck
And the situation that Herman inherited was light years better than what Fleck inherited
Posted on 10/23/16 at 11:33 am to jamalsdeck
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Saban's assistant head coach and successor, Bobby Williams, then coached MSU to a Citrus Bowl victory over Florida It's easy to have immediate instant success early on with established teams.., giving the Spartans an overall record of 10–2 for the 1999 season. It would be the best season in terms of wins for the Spartans since 1965, and it would see the Spartans reach their highest ranking since the 1966 team.[20] Future NFL head coach Josh McDaniels served as a graduate assistant on Saban's 1999 coaching staff.
How did Williams fare thereafter?
Posted on 10/23/16 at 11:36 am to GEAUXmedic
2016
Fleck and WMU had the highest-rated recruiting class in the MAC for the fourth consecutive year.
Yeah, that's nice they are undefeated.. but they have the best recruiting class in their conference for a 4th straight year.. and he's had several losses prior.. so okay..
Fleck and WMU had the highest-rated recruiting class in the MAC for the fourth consecutive year.
Yeah, that's nice they are undefeated.. but they have the best recruiting class in their conference for a 4th straight year.. and he's had several losses prior.. so okay..
Posted on 10/23/16 at 11:44 am to GEAUXmedic
Don't waste your time. For some reason Tom Herman has acquired god like status to some on this board.
This is a quip stolen from the Rant which is so truthful yet so simple it is almost mind boggling.
https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/display.aspx?sp=66372217&s=2&p=66372161#66372217
This is a quip stolen from the Rant which is so truthful yet so simple it is almost mind boggling.
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All I know from the Herman or bust crowd is you can't judge him off the last three games but you can only judge Ed O by his tenure at Ole Miss.
https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/display.aspx?sp=66372217&s=2&p=66372161#66372217
Posted on 10/23/16 at 11:51 am to SportTiger1
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No. No we don't. We need someone who wins. Winning will 'fit' just fine.
Well CEO is 3-0 in his last three games. Herman (who the thread is about) is 1-2 in his last three games.
In CEO's three games LSU has outscored opponents 73-7 in the second half. The 7 was a trick play by Missouri.
So, back to your point of needing somebody who wins, Herman is not that person right now and CEO appears to be that coach. There is a lot of season left and things may change but for the "right now" crowd, CEO has out performed Tom.
Posted on 10/23/16 at 11:53 am to Tiger Ree
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This is a quip stolen from the Rant which is so truthful yet so simple it is almost mind boggling.
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All I know from the Herman or bust crowd is you can't judge him off the last three games but you can only judge Ed O by his tenure at Ole Miss.
Except that's not what we are saying at all. You actually tried to tell me that his wins don't matter only his 3 losses over two years. I also explained you that even if O were to win out or only lose one to Bama there are about 6 or 7 other coaches with better resumes overall.
You won't accept any of those statements as reality yet we're delusional? If you want a discussion then actually listen to both sides. If you want to not hire a coach because you're homophobic then just stfu because you have nothing of value to add to the coaches changing board.
Posted on 10/23/16 at 11:56 am to Tiger Tracker
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Hes gotta beat Saban first. Next game will be a big test for us and O. If he loses you still all in
So you're still all-in for Lord Tom after he got him and his team's arse kicked by MIGHTY SMU but you think CEO should have to beat BAMA in order for CEO to retain respect as a HC? The Herman homer logic sees no bounds.
Posted on 10/23/16 at 11:57 am to Tiger Ree
Our fans are so embarrassingly stupid
Posted on 10/23/16 at 11:57 am to SportTiger1
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It still won't be true even then. HE IS NOT QUALIFIED TO BE THE HC AT LSU. 6 games as interim doesn't give him that qualification.
Oh, so this is your call? Who will be HC at LSU next year?
Posted on 10/23/16 at 12:13 pm to jamalsdeck
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Herman can scheme to beat great defenses.
He sure fricked up that defensive juggernaut known as SMU !!! Only giving up 406 yards to the 5-star QB lead SMU team. While his genius mind in offensive coaching whooped the shite out of them with 303 total yards. That was against SMU, not some run of the mill high school team either. GREATNESS !!!
Posted on 10/23/16 at 12:14 pm to Tiger Ree
Way too sarcastic
Posted on 10/23/16 at 12:15 pm to jamalsdeck
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Herman knows how to scheme to beat superior defenses, especially when he has equal talent or close to
Got damn son, you been living under a fricking rock the last three weeks?
This post was edited on 10/23/16 at 12:16 pm
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