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Why didn’t Kelly put this effort into the defensive staff from day 1?

Posted on 1/12/24 at 10:30 pm
Posted by IsraelJones
Member since Dec 2023
132 posts
Posted on 1/12/24 at 10:30 pm
Steeples and Cooks? He knew Cooks wasn’t ND or OU-quality. He suddenly became LSU/SEC quality? Steeples, great guy, but first major position job is CB at LSU?
Pay Matt House $2m and make him a DC with his lack of success at this level as a DC and having not coordinated at all for several years?
He mailed in the first go round
Total redemption this time, but the money and time wasted with the first round make no sense given his reputation for detail.
Posted by jgriffith
Paradise Valley, Arizona
Member since Sep 2005
5291 posts
Posted on 1/12/24 at 10:34 pm to
I feel the same way, thus I don’t have an answer. As highly regarded as Kelly is coaching-wise, it’s hard for me to understand how he got caught with his pants down this season the way he did. I mean this was a national championship and beyond - on offense - yet we fielded that joke of a defense. I’m still scratching my head.
Posted by tjohn deaux
GA
Member since Feb 2007
10173 posts
Posted on 1/12/24 at 10:36 pm to
He thought he had the good staff. It didn't pan out.
Posted by OJsLifeCoach
NYC
Member since Aug 2023
1103 posts
Posted on 1/12/24 at 10:40 pm to
I mean you're gonna get downvoted to hell but you're definitley not that far off.

Kelly made some questionable hires and I think everyone felt that way right off the bat. I don't remember Denbrock or House getting anyone around here excited.

Kelly is a great coach. He might not be the best at picking the staff around him. He's had some good ones but seems like throughout his career he's had some bad ones as well. And is big on recycling guys he's already worked with.

My guess is others stepped in this time around and had more of a say for who we go after. I'm sure Kelly had the final say but I believe SW may have nudged him in the direction of guys with LA roots.

Whatever the case may be, we've got the right coaches in the right places now.

It's gonna get fun.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
422404 posts
Posted on 1/12/24 at 10:42 pm to
I think his philosophy at first was to have coordinators do the lion's share of coaching, scheming, etc. but not really recruiting, and then he hired what he thought was a good recruiting staff.

He was wrong.

Now it seems that he realizes the level of recruiting that will be required here and is hiring accordingly.
Posted by MasterAbe1
Member since Oct 2016
5004 posts
Posted on 1/12/24 at 10:43 pm to
Coaches evolve. He realized he screwed up this year with the defensive staff, the best thing I’m seeing from this is willing to admit mistakes and correct them
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
422404 posts
Posted on 1/12/24 at 10:44 pm to
I still don't think he wanted to fire House and realizes our defensive issues was largely a talent issue.

It will never not make me laugh that he let Baker go, only to pay a huge buyout 2 years later and then give Baker a crazy contract.
Posted by IsraelJones
Member since Dec 2023
132 posts
Posted on 1/12/24 at 10:57 pm to
Pretty obvious the Louisiana-centric makeup of this staff now. Only Bo played at LSU but with 2 positions open, the entire rest of the staff are either from and/or coached at Louisiana colleges.
Had he gone that route the first go round and hired not the guys he got this time, but “lesser” names and it not worked it would’ve made sense. OK, he was going to focus on in-state, that make absolute sense, he just hired the wrong ones. Or say he hired Parker from Iowa as his DC and surrounded him with name guys with big reputations and that didn’t work, you could say it made sense what he was trying to do. But not that motley crew of a collection of past failures and never succeeded that he put together instead. It’s confusing.
Posted by burreauxxx
Member since Dec 2019
2758 posts
Posted on 1/12/24 at 11:01 pm to
I didn’t love the secondary hires. Cooks had a pretty dicey track record and Steeples was total flyer.

Otherwise, I think his biggest mistake was promoting an analyst last year rather than hiring a real special team coach.

Remember, a lot of shite that happened was bad luck. He hired a solid DLine coach and lost him late in the process year 2. We know what happened to his successors health. I don’t think DLine was a talent issue this year. They had enough quality bodies, but then Wingo got hurt, Mason wasn’t the same coming off the knee injury and clearly was weaker in the lower body, etc.

Posted by jsmoke222000
Lake Charles
Member since Oct 2007
6211 posts
Posted on 1/12/24 at 11:07 pm to
BK knows that if these hires don't work out, he is gone in 3 years.

It's no secret that I absolutely hate BK. Having said that, dumping the bucket on defense was definitely the right move & these hires are "Damn Strong"! I'm not saying he has won me over, but I'm certainly impressed with the moves he has made this off season so far.
This post was edited on 1/12/24 at 11:12 pm
Posted by Tvilletiger
PVB
Member since Oct 2015
4852 posts
Posted on 1/12/24 at 11:12 pm to
He made a mistake. He has seen what he needs and has evolved . He realized that creating a defense will be huge and will be a very reachable goal here at LSU. We are in the hands of a great coach. People can bitch all they want. They are fools.
Posted by Shovelhead
Kentucky
Member since Jan 2022
269 posts
Posted on 1/12/24 at 11:52 pm to
lol. Insanity. But at least you admitted to having no objectivity. Points for that.

If he keeps winning ten games a season, he’ll never be fired.
Posted by SportTiger1
Stonewall, LA
Member since Feb 2007
28504 posts
Posted on 1/12/24 at 11:55 pm to
Agree on cooks.

Steeples was DB coach at Mizzou and was decent on paper with a good recruiting track record

House was a good hire on paper. Great last season at Kentucky. Top 10 defense...AT KENTUCKY. Coached LBs at the very highest level...Superbowl.

It didn't work in hindsight. But It wasn't bad at the time
Posted by Bongi
Gonzales, LA
Member since Oct 2008
722 posts
Posted on 1/12/24 at 11:55 pm to
My question is if he thought it was just a talent issue, why did he fire the whole defensive staff?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
422404 posts
Posted on 1/12/24 at 11:59 pm to
quote:

Steeples was DB coach at Mizzou and was decent on paper with a good recruiting track record

Naw dog

High school coach Kelly projected as an ace recruiter

Posted by SportTiger1
Stonewall, LA
Member since Feb 2007
28504 posts
Posted on 1/13/24 at 12:01 am to
quote:

Kelly is a great coach. He might not be the best at picking the staff around him. He's had some good ones but seems like throughout his career he's had some bad ones as well. And is big on recycling guys he's already worked with.
his last 2 DCs before Matt House are now head coaches at aTm and ND. Go back through the years, he's elite at picking DCs.

He's never going to make splash hires at OC because he wants the offense run within his framework. Just expect that going forward.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
422404 posts
Posted on 1/13/24 at 12:01 am to
quote:

My question is if he thought it was just a talent issue, why did he fire the whole defensive staff?

They were supposed to be recruiters + House

Clearly their talent acquisition was not high enough to overcome their coaching deficiencies
Posted by SportTiger1
Stonewall, LA
Member since Feb 2007
28504 posts
Posted on 1/13/24 at 12:16 am to
My bad, he was with the Vikings as special teams asst in 2021
Posted by jsmoke222000
Lake Charles
Member since Oct 2007
6211 posts
Posted on 1/13/24 at 12:19 am to
quote:

If he keeps winning ten games a season, he’ll never be fired.


I have to disagree. If he continues to have 9-3 regular seasons, he will be gone in 3 or 4 years.

Case in point:

Les Miles won 10+ games in 7 of his 11 full seasons @ LSU. In the 4 seasons in which he did not win at least 10 games, he went 8-4 (2 years) & 9-3 (2 years). Les was fired for the way he lost the games that he lost & honestly for winning games the way he won them.

Furthermore, in most years going 9-3 in the regular season is not gonna get you into the 12 team playoff. BK will need to go 10-2 or better in the regular season & if he doesn't do that consistently, he won't be here very long.
Posted by crewdepoo
Hogwarts
Member since Jan 2015
9596 posts
Posted on 1/13/24 at 12:19 am to
When he came here it was late in the process and no one from ND followed. He had to hire who he could.
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