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re: What if we can't hire an elite OC?
Posted on 11/27/16 at 9:25 pm to sheek
Posted on 11/27/16 at 9:25 pm to sheek
Define Pro O, Sheek. I was for Fisher and Herman. I even was fine with Gundy. But I'm on record as saying beyond that, keeping O, Aranda, and getting a top notch OC was a legit option if above failed. I don't think the O contract is too onerous. Perhaps Im just a mediocrity guy, but I'm hoping O pulls this off, brings in a ton of talent, and hires asisstants to maximize that talent, especially on offense.
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Posted on 11/27/16 at 9:27 pm to RileyTime
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The only thing I'm worried about is not being able to sustain top coordinators for longevity.
LSU certainly would become a revolving door for OC. If they do good, OC would be gone as hc next year. If they do bad, OC would be fired to make room for the next OC. Eventually O would be gone through the door too.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 9:40 pm to TigerOne
I think more head coaches are managers rather than ball side specialists. By specialist, I mean elite specialists like Saban, Spurrier, etc.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 9:44 pm to CorporateTiger
Not sure if you're agreeing with me or...
Posted on 11/27/16 at 10:05 pm to Freauxzen
is ensminger elite? Either exception of Bama game our offense was pretty damn good
Posted on 11/27/16 at 10:31 pm to UpToPar
Johnny Jones will be available by then. He couldn't be any worse at his current gig
Posted on 11/27/16 at 10:38 pm to Prominentwon
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What if he does hire an excellent OC and they're successful?
I'd start a thread asking that, but positive questions aren't allowed here
Having to hire great coordinators is not a recipe for success in anything but the short term. If your coordinators are good enough that you have great success, they will move on the head coaching jobs (this will be especially true in our case because everyone will know their success was due to their expertise, not the head-coach's).
When the head coach has no expertise as a coordinator, turn over of coordinators eliminates continuity. This is a major problem.
Having a head coach that has great expertise on at least one side of the ball is pretty important, and this is probably why position I do not know of one position coach that has even been made a head coach other than Ed O.
On the positive side: Orgeron is a great recruiter. It will be interesting to see if his recruiting abilities will be able to overcome the negative recruiting that will be rampant...opposing coaches will have lots of ammunition.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 1:08 am to PortCityTiger82
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His contract is not hanging over our heads if he tanks hard year one he'll be gone and won't even make it three years. I don't like how this went down but I think he's on a very short leash as far as meeting expectations
I wish this was accurate, but it's going to play out much differently.
O is going to be nearly impossible to fire because...
a)the idiots freaking love him. He has already gained an enormous amount of fan support without actually accomplishing anything in his entire career.
B) cebause he is hands off, there will alwAys be a scapegoat. I dann near guarantee he gets at least 2 OC hires before it looks bad on him...most likely 3.
C) he has the local media in his back pocket. They will control the narrative, just like they did to get him hired.
Its going to be just like les, except amplified 'support'.
Going to be a rough 5 years. Wasted.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 1:18 am to Stevo
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I think more head coaches are managers rather than ball side specialists. By specialist, I mean elite specialists like Saban, Spurrier, etc
Incorrect. I went through this exercise a few months ago and out of the top 20 or so HCs, like 16 of then we're elite coordinators before they became HCs.
The CEO coach is a dying breed...but we're lsu, we like to go against the grain.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 1:32 am to UpToPar
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What if we can't hire an elite OC?
I would guess something along the lines of the ending to this gif.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 1:38 am to Topwater Trout
Against horrible competition
Can't count on the sec being down like that
Plus we had a very stacked team
Let's try and do better please
Someone who can actually scheme points against Bama
I mean everyone else seemed to have
Did they blank anyone else?
I don't watch them
Can't count on the sec being down like that
Plus we had a very stacked team
Let's try and do better please
Someone who can actually scheme points against Bama
I mean everyone else seemed to have
Did they blank anyone else?
I don't watch them
Posted on 11/28/16 at 1:40 am to SportTiger1
It's Miles all over again except an even more lovable figure
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