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What if the search is for a new OC not HC?
Posted on 9/28/16 at 6:29 am
Posted on 9/28/16 at 6:29 am
What if LSU's master plan is for coach O to take over and hire a new OC only? LSU is already paying for the best OC in football. They can save millions with Coach O as head coach.
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Posted on 9/28/16 at 6:40 am to DamStrongTeam
If "O" does well and is retained as Head Coach I would be OK with that. BUT the team must do well all year not just over this Saturday. Florida will be a good test for the coach and team. If he does well keep him, lock down the state, and look for the best OC we can buy ( or Hire )!!
Posted on 9/28/16 at 6:47 am to Gus Tinsley
Wait... Are you saying if O does good against Florida we should lock him in as the head coach? Do you not realize it's been November that has haunted us for the past few years right?
Posted on 9/28/16 at 6:56 am to Hold That Tiger 10
Let it play out. If O unites the team and wins he has to be given a fair shot. Pair him with a top notch OC and I think we'll like the results. You'll have to admit the changes he's made in 3 days have all been great.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 6:56 am to Hold That Tiger 10
I don't think it matters which games they win just that O is considered successful. This Theroy works in that case. Would that fly with the Herman/ Fisher types.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 6:56 am to Hold That Tiger 10
The name of the game in college football is recruiting. O shouldn't be a drop off there from Les. If u bring in a guy like Herman then u run the risk of him being a recruiting dud.
O would be the safest pick and his understanding and embracing of a more contemporary style of offense is very encouraging (and honestly that's may be all LSU really needs to get over the hump).
O would be the safest pick and his understanding and embracing of a more contemporary style of offense is very encouraging (and honestly that's may be all LSU really needs to get over the hump).
Posted on 9/28/16 at 7:00 am to DamStrongTeam
quote:Then Alleva needs to be fired on the spot. You don't fire Miles to hire O full time.
What if LSU's master plan is for coach O to take over
Posted on 9/28/16 at 7:04 am to DamStrongTeam
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I don't think it matters which games they win just that O is considered successful. This Theroy works in that case. Would that fly with the Herman/ Fisher types.
No, it wouldn't. What constitutes "successful"? 6-2? 7-1?
Unless we finish 8-0 with Orgeron with all double digit wins, and then go on to win the SEC, he really shouldn't even be considered.
This post was edited on 9/28/16 at 7:05 am
Posted on 9/28/16 at 7:05 am to OneMoreTime
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Then Alleva needs to be fired on the spot. You don't fire Miles to hire O full time.
The bigger question is whether O can keep the players and the program under control and out of trouble.
My concern with O as HC is that we could end up with a Baylor type situation if we bring in too many highly talented kids with questionable backgrounds. Was that an issue during his time at Miss?
Posted on 9/28/16 at 7:06 am to OneMoreTime
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You don't fire Miles to hire O full time.
you fired miles because he was too stubborn to change his archaic offensive philosophy...period. end of story.
LSU wanted miles to make changes and NOT be in this position.
So, yes. I expect and hope LSU gos after guys like Herman and Jimbo, et al. But, if O opens the offense (becomes more coherent and shows the ability to change) then IF O is hired....then you fired Miles and got the change sought / needed.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 7:11 am to BlackHelicopterPilot
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you fired miles because he was too stubborn to change his archaic offensive philosophy...period. end of story.
We fired Miles because, ultimately, we were losing games. The outmoded offense and the inability to adapt and change is why we lost games.
If we were 4-0 right now, Miles would still be our coach.
If Miles had gone to a full spread based passing offense this season, he would still have been gone with a 2-2 record.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 7:12 am to Cs
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No, it wouldn't. What constitutes "successful"? 6-2? 7-1?
Unless we finish 8-0 with Orgeron with all double digit wins, and then go on to win the SEC, he really shouldn't even be considered.
I think we all would like a Saban. I believe Saban would think this is a bad way to evaluate. You are looking at results and nt process.
AGAIn...I am not lobbying for O here. But, we cn certainly see growth and change and appreciate that without it DEFINITELY meaning a W.
Miles often got W's while looking terribly out of touch. Let's face it...LSU honestly could be 4-0 right NOW and we STILL would have played like dog-shite on offense.
So, I'd rather see 5-3 with great advance in offense, etc...than 8-0 with the Miles "luck" winning all 8 (now, to be fair...I am only talking as a future look. I certainly want 8-0 for LSU no matter how we get them)
Posted on 9/28/16 at 7:13 am to Cs
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If we were 4-0 right now, Miles would still be our coach.
Sure. But, it would be on borrowed time only. By the end of the Wisc. game, I was already off of the Pro-Miles wagon and on the He Has To Go wagon...and that was BEFORE the interception and I thought LSU would kick a FG and win
This post was edited on 9/28/16 at 7:15 am
Posted on 9/28/16 at 8:01 am to BlackHelicopterPilot
IMO, O is the safest pick bc of his recruiting prowess. We keep O then the talent level will remain at a top tier level. My main concern would be I'm not sure if he can manage the program (mainly keeping the troops in line on and off the field) as well as Miles did. I feel like he can but he is somewhat unproven. Plus I feel like this is O's dream job fwiw.
If O can hire quality coordinators then I feel he can be very effective as a HC. Miles stubbornness did him in. It seems O is more open to change.
If O can hire quality coordinators then I feel he can be very effective as a HC. Miles stubbornness did him in. It seems O is more open to change.
This post was edited on 9/28/16 at 8:03 am
Posted on 9/28/16 at 8:08 am to STEVED00
quote:He is the only G5 coach to ever sign a 5 star player. I'd say he can recruit.
If u bring in a guy like Herman then u run the risk of him being a recruiting dud.
quote:Safe? Safe from what?
O would be the safest pick
quote:In his press conference on Monday he clearly stated he is a pro-style offense coach. The offense will look very similar but will probably contain more wrinkles.
embracing of a more contemporary style of offense is very encouraging (and honestly that's may be all LSU really needs to get over the hump).
Posted on 9/28/16 at 8:10 am to STEVED00
O is nowhere near being a safe pick.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 8:13 am to DamStrongTeam
I think if you bring in Fisher / Herman it may actually help the recruiting, especially on the offensive side. Eithers hiring will generate a huge amount of support and energy around the program. O would most likely be seen as underwhelming to anyone outside of Louisiana.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 8:14 am to KyrieElaison
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Let it play out. If O unites the team and wins he has to be given a fair shot.
Good God no!!!! We just fired a coach that "won" a shite ton of games.
THE GUY HAAS A LOSING RECORD!!!!!
We need to hire a real coach, a technician, someone who immediately adds value to the talent on the field. Not another Dale Brown.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 8:16 am to Oddibe
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He is the only G5 coach to ever sign a 5 star player. I'd say he can recruit.
He hired that kids high school coach to the UH staff to make that happen. You can't do that kind of trick at a Power 5 program.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 8:21 am to DamStrongTeam
Too early for O to be master plan. Admin told him he would be considered for 2 reasons, we need him for interim and if he pulls the program up- he should be.
Admin now should identify and explore all possibilities. The master plan should be boiled down to 2 or 3 possibilities one month before the end of the regular season.
I hope O is still in the mix by then since that would mean he was a winner this year.
Admin now should identify and explore all possibilities. The master plan should be boiled down to 2 or 3 possibilities one month before the end of the regular season.
I hope O is still in the mix by then since that would mean he was a winner this year.
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