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Posted on 12/8/16 at 6:12 pm to Sonny Koufax
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Helfrich's OC at Oregon was Matt Lubick who was O's WR coach at Ole Miss
Interesting. I heard that there's a Helfrich/Grimes link as well.
CEO hasn't said much about who will be retained on the offense other than Coach Ensminger. If Helfrich was concerned enough about his staff to call Chip Kelly in the hopes he'd come back to Oregon and hire his guys, then hiring Helfrich likely bags you multiple members of his offensive staff as well...great when teaching spread concepts during a transition from pro-style.
This post was edited on 12/8/16 at 6:14 pm
Posted on 12/8/16 at 6:17 pm to Woodman
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All I see is people saying that Chip Kelly was the one calling all the plays and Helfrich didnt do anything blah blah blah...
----------------------------------------------------I haven't seen a single link to support this.
This is self made propaganda from The Rant and others are believing what Tigerdroppings posters say. Sounds like following political "news" shows instead of actually reading the actual platforms of the candidates.
Do your own research folks.
OK... this is some of my research
Can you provide evidence/research that helfrich indeed called all the plays? If you're a helfrich fan cool, but his play calling should cause some concern.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 6:30 pm to Geauxst Writer
I agree. Helfrich is a better fit on our staff than Wilson, and Art Briles won't pass BOS scrutiny, so my money is on the former Oregon head coach to give us the salty, veteran signal caller that we desire.
Sarkisian is better off following Kiffin to Houston; Applewhite needs to stay under Herman's wing a while longer; likewise Riley, re Stoops.
Helfrich it is, for the Tigers. Nice job, Coach Orgeron! Well done, sir.
Sarkisian is better off following Kiffin to Houston; Applewhite needs to stay under Herman's wing a while longer; likewise Riley, re Stoops.
Helfrich it is, for the Tigers. Nice job, Coach Orgeron! Well done, sir.
This post was edited on 12/8/16 at 6:31 pm
Posted on 12/8/16 at 6:32 pm to Tiger Tracker
He admits he didn't call many of the plays. He's well known for designing the entire offensive scheme. If you've got four or five pass plays for a certain situation, does it matter that much if one individual is making all of the calls or if its decision-making by committee?
We want to get away from the predictability of the toss-dive followed by the bomb on third and long. Just because one isn't calling all of the plays doesn't discount his offensive creativity. I'd rather have him analyzing the game and feeding the adjustments to those calling the plays. He's a coordinator - very different than a command and controller. His analytical mind should be his greatest asset. Because Kelly wanted to pick and choose the option elected doesn't make Kelly any more important in the process than was Helfrich. Didn't we all kind of figure that out over his past four years in the NFL? Kelly pretty much has sucked.
So without Helfrich by his side, Chip Kelly is a shitty coach. Hmmm. What do believe Orgeron would prefer? Someone that makes him look better or that gives him less than optimal options facing a defense like Alabama? I'd say the former.
We want to get away from the predictability of the toss-dive followed by the bomb on third and long. Just because one isn't calling all of the plays doesn't discount his offensive creativity. I'd rather have him analyzing the game and feeding the adjustments to those calling the plays. He's a coordinator - very different than a command and controller. His analytical mind should be his greatest asset. Because Kelly wanted to pick and choose the option elected doesn't make Kelly any more important in the process than was Helfrich. Didn't we all kind of figure that out over his past four years in the NFL? Kelly pretty much has sucked.
So without Helfrich by his side, Chip Kelly is a shitty coach. Hmmm. What do believe Orgeron would prefer? Someone that makes him look better or that gives him less than optimal options facing a defense like Alabama? I'd say the former.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 6:38 pm to Woodman
From my view, Helfrich and all good OC's design an offensive strategy, plays, and patterns that will succeed in the environment they are in. I would suspect that with our OL, WR, RB, and hopefully QB talent that he would build an offense with modifications such as some power spread and more pro-spread sets in comparison from what he did at Oregan where he had 2,3,and some 4 star players and Pac 12 defenses instead of the SEC athletic/speed defenses.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 7:53 pm to Woodman
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We want to get away from the predictability of the toss-dive followed by the bomb on third and long. Just because one isn't calling all of the plays doesn't discount his offensive creativity.
100% agree.
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I'd rather have him analyzing the game and feeding the adjustments to those calling the plays. He's a coordinator - very different than a command and controller.
Agree, but here's the deal...who's calling the plays? O? I mean he's not on offensive guy and his big sell was that he lets his coaches coach. Since he is HC i think we have to get an OC that can do it all. I don't think Helfrich sucks, but i think he needs an offensive minded HC to lean on.
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So without Helfrich by his side, Chip Kelly is a shitty coach.
I'm not sure if this was meant to be taken seriously or not, but in case it was i don't think it's a fair assessment of Chip at all. Some coaches just aren't nfl coaches...see Saban.
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What do believe Orgeron would prefer? Someone that makes him look better or that gives him less than optimal options facing a defense like Alabama? I'd say the former.
I don't understand this line of thinking. Of course orgeron wants someone that makes him look good. To get that guy he will have to be able to do it all on offense. Similar to an aranda style but on offense.
Im not opposed to helfrich. Im just saying i have certain reservations with him regarding his play calling ability since it seems to be somewhat limited in scope. I don't dispute his schemes/planning is great though.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 8:01 pm to Tiger Tracker
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Im not opposed to helfrich
Posted on 12/8/16 at 8:10 pm to Woodman
How about you do some research before telling others to do the same. First 30 seconds
Helftich admitting to not calling any plays
Helftich admitting to not calling any plays
Posted on 12/8/16 at 8:32 pm to Cargeaux89
Can we please at least during Helfrich from Oregon only refer to Coach O as CEO or anything but Orgeron? My drinking eyes make me do double takes way too often! 
Posted on 12/9/16 at 2:06 am to Hot Carl
Not sure why that's funny, but ok. 
eta: oh nevermind you're that dude who got all upset i was asking questions about helfrich in a thread discussing helfrich. Are you gonna be like the Beetlejuice of Helfrich? How many times do i have to say his name until you pop up?
eta: oh nevermind you're that dude who got all upset i was asking questions about helfrich in a thread discussing helfrich
. Are you gonna be like the Beetlejuice of Helfrich? How many times do i have to say his name until you pop up?This post was edited on 12/9/16 at 2:10 am
Posted on 12/9/16 at 2:37 am to ffhouston
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If Helfrich was concerned enough about his staff to call Chip Kelly in the hopes he'd come back to Oregon and hire his guys, then hiring Helfrich likely bags you multiple members of his offensive staff as well..
Most of that staff was Bellotti's staff, then Kelly's, and then Helfrich. Long time coaches who were happy coaching and living in Oregon. Several can retire now if not retained by Taggart.
Posted on 12/9/16 at 3:16 am to Fus0623
Bruce Feldman said Grimes and Helfrich are still close friends.
Posted on 12/9/16 at 4:08 am to smash williams
The guy made the game plans and developed the QB on consistent top 5 offenses.
So what if he didn't call the plays on game days. Doesn't mean he can't do it. Les like calling plays too.
Our TE coach called better games and set records vs our ex-NFL pay caller. If the game plan is followed, It works.
Can't bash the guy if all the work was already done in game planning throughout the week. Better planing makes better offenses. He proven that everywhere he's been.
Sign him up!!!
So what if he didn't call the plays on game days. Doesn't mean he can't do it. Les like calling plays too.
Our TE coach called better games and set records vs our ex-NFL pay caller. If the game plan is followed, It works.
Can't bash the guy if all the work was already done in game planning throughout the week. Better planing makes better offenses. He proven that everywhere he's been.
Sign him up!!!
This post was edited on 12/9/16 at 6:03 am
Posted on 12/9/16 at 9:30 am to Tiger Tracker
If Helfrich could design the best offensive scheme for the team and teach it during practices and work with the folks on the sidelines during game time when not on the field and Ensminger was calling the plays from the booth, would that work?
I sure like Ensminger calling plays from the booth with a Helfrich play book than I do with a Cam Cameron play book.
I know we don't want to run at the pace that Oregon did in years past. Don't you believe plays were put together in sets in that scheme? How can a coach in the booth or on the field be calling fresh plays each down when they are snapping the ball within 7 to 10 seconds?
I just think this "who calls the plays" may be one component of the offense that can be delegated at certain times of a game. Sure, there are going to be critical times when the Head Coach pulls rank and makes a decision to go for it a certain way and likely others where the OC does the same.
With the same talent across the board, the talent devised scheme, the teaching and the ability to see things the majority of other coaches don't catch well enough to teach and then to effectively adjust play is the most important component to winning on offense.
I sure like Ensminger calling plays from the booth with a Helfrich play book than I do with a Cam Cameron play book.
I know we don't want to run at the pace that Oregon did in years past. Don't you believe plays were put together in sets in that scheme? How can a coach in the booth or on the field be calling fresh plays each down when they are snapping the ball within 7 to 10 seconds?
I just think this "who calls the plays" may be one component of the offense that can be delegated at certain times of a game. Sure, there are going to be critical times when the Head Coach pulls rank and makes a decision to go for it a certain way and likely others where the OC does the same.
With the same talent across the board, the talent devised scheme, the teaching and the ability to see things the majority of other coaches don't catch well enough to teach and then to effectively adjust play is the most important component to winning on offense.
Posted on 12/9/16 at 9:31 am to Woodman
You guys give Helfrich too little credit for his offensive work and successes.
Posted on 12/9/16 at 9:34 am to SammyTiger
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Till this year when they sucked.
top 20 offense = sucks
they had a shite defense...which isn't really a concern here
Posted on 12/9/16 at 9:45 am to Tiger Tracker
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OK... this is some of my research
Can you provide evidence/research that helfrich indeed called all the plays? If you're a helfrich fan cool, but his play calling should cause some concern.
So your proof is that Chip Kelly called most of the plays with a heavy influence from Helfrich?
Of course Kelly had the final say he was an Offensive minded HC. But is foolish to think that Helfrich just sat there and did nothing.
Posted on 12/9/16 at 10:24 am to MTB
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Awesome, please fill in order:
1) Riley
2) Canada
3) Kiffin
4) Sark
5) Gilbert
6) K Briles
7) A Briles
This post was edited on 12/9/16 at 10:25 am
Posted on 12/9/16 at 10:26 am to 0
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Luckily your list doesn't mean shite.
Neither does yours. So my input is exactly equal to yours. Tough shite Mr Billy Badass
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