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Question: Can Orgeron continue this level of play if hired?
Posted on 10/23/16 at 9:32 pm
Posted on 10/23/16 at 9:32 pm
All this talk about who the next LSU coach will be leads me to one question that I haven't seen asked.
Coach Orgeron who I feel does a fine job came in when times were low...just like at USC. But taking over program down and out, and getting buy in when your not under the gun seems to be a little easier than sustaining this level for years to come. The players were looking for someone to turn to and Coach O was there and right for this time. However, next year Coach Miles will be a memory. Will the urgency still be there?
He still has Miles' players and at USC had Kiffin's players. So, the question to you all is...do you feel that he can sustain this level for years to come? If so, then you need to push for Coach O...if not, then LSU needs to go after Herman.
Coach Orgeron who I feel does a fine job came in when times were low...just like at USC. But taking over program down and out, and getting buy in when your not under the gun seems to be a little easier than sustaining this level for years to come. The players were looking for someone to turn to and Coach O was there and right for this time. However, next year Coach Miles will be a memory. Will the urgency still be there?
He still has Miles' players and at USC had Kiffin's players. So, the question to you all is...do you feel that he can sustain this level for years to come? If so, then you need to push for Coach O...if not, then LSU needs to go after Herman.
This post was edited on 10/23/16 at 10:10 pm
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Posted on 10/23/16 at 9:35 pm to Muahahaha
Long term organization was his downfall at Ole Miss. He's great at recruiting players but he was horrible at getting kids to go to class and keeping them out of trouble. He's also not a very good Xs and Os coach.
If that has all changed since he was at Ole Miss, he should be fine. But LSU could do much better.
If that has all changed since he was at Ole Miss, he should be fine. But LSU could do much better.
Posted on 10/23/16 at 9:36 pm to Muahahaha
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But taking over program down and out, and getting buy in when your not under the gun seems to be a little easier than sustaining this level for years to come.
Exactly. Sure he may be different, but he failed at his only opportunity to run a program 24/7 365. I don't want LSU to take that chance unless he wins out and gives you no choice.
Posted on 10/23/16 at 9:58 pm to Muahahaha
His problems at ole miss was keeping players eligible ( or recruiting players that would never be eligible ) and micromanaging his assistants. I think he has learned from those mistakes and would be a good head coach.
With that said his first opportunity to prove he learned from those mistakes should not be at a place like LSU.
With that said his first opportunity to prove he learned from those mistakes should not be at a place like LSU.
Posted on 10/23/16 at 10:14 pm to Muahahaha
Right now he's winning games based on superior talent. Very few teams can handle the 1-2 punch of LF7 and Guice, coupled with some effective passing, not to mention a lightning-quick swarming defense. Alabama is one team who has equal talent. If O, with the patchwork staff that he's thrown together, can beat Saban, I'll be extremely impressed. Alabama is the only legit opponent left, in my opinion. LSU will simply overwhelm everyone else, similar to what they've done the past few weeks.
This post was edited on 10/23/16 at 10:17 pm
Posted on 10/23/16 at 10:20 pm to I am GLORIOUS
Miles was the most successful winning coach at LSU from a percentage standpoint and his X's and O's were horrible.
If O can manage then he will be fine.
If O can manage then he will be fine.
Posted on 10/23/16 at 10:23 pm to Muahahaha
The fact that he has never been a HC again after OM is a deal breaker for me. You don't just get to wipe bad exp off your resume because it was a long time ago. You have to go pay your dues as a HC at a smaller school and go build and maintain a program before you get the LSU job.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 5:01 am to I am GLORIOUS
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He's winning games on superior talent
That is usually how it goes. Same reason Bama wins-talent especially up front.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 6:33 am to Henry Jones Jr
Well said, Dr Jones!! 
Posted on 10/24/16 at 9:14 am to Muahahaha
I feel like he can. He clearly had the foresight to plan for if he got his chance what he would do. He has seen his own failures and owned up to them, which is a good sign. He isn't going to double down on stuff that doesn't work. He also has seen how a retard ruined this program with his stubbornness.
I also like the culture he is creating. I don't think anyone with a brain can argue with his move to change practice. Everyone should want our practices to be more like this. It appears to me he has a long term vision for what LSU should look like.
I also like the culture he is creating. I don't think anyone with a brain can argue with his move to change practice. Everyone should want our practices to be more like this. It appears to me he has a long term vision for what LSU should look like.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 9:20 am to Muahahaha
As a previous poster said, maybe O has learned from his mistake at OM. But LSU is not the place to try and showcase what you've learned. The stage is too big and the stakes are too high. It's too big of a moment to hire a coach just because it's obvious he loves the program.
I'll agree that if he wins out, it'll be really hard to turn him away. Granted, if he does win out, the dominoes look to be falling in LSUs favor and they could end up a playoff team. I'll eat crow if that happens. But until then, it has to be someone else. You can't make an emotional hire in this instance. CEO is a master of channeling emotion and getting players to perform using that emotion. What happens when the emotion from this season is gone?
I'll agree that if he wins out, it'll be really hard to turn him away. Granted, if he does win out, the dominoes look to be falling in LSUs favor and they could end up a playoff team. I'll eat crow if that happens. But until then, it has to be someone else. You can't make an emotional hire in this instance. CEO is a master of channeling emotion and getting players to perform using that emotion. What happens when the emotion from this season is gone?
Posted on 10/24/16 at 10:07 am to Muahahaha
I'm not saying what O has done so far has been easy, but I would think it is a lot easier to come into an interim position and be a motivator, change things up, and be a players coach when you have nothing to lose.
The year long grind of building a team, keeping players eligible, and installing offensive and defensive schemes is a lot tougher.
Coming in and giving instant energy and saying all the right things doesn't equate to being a head coach for the long haul. And I'm not a O hater or a Miles fan.
The year long grind of building a team, keeping players eligible, and installing offensive and defensive schemes is a lot tougher.
Coming in and giving instant energy and saying all the right things doesn't equate to being a head coach for the long haul. And I'm not a O hater or a Miles fan.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 10:12 am to 0
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I think he has learned from those mistakes and would be a good head coach.
I am in bewilderment as to how this is getting so much mileage. He's learned from his mistakes because he said so? Why is that resonating with so many people?
Posted on 10/24/16 at 10:19 am to Goldrush25
well he can point to his issue which is something miles refused to do. He laid out how he has changed that which is letting his position coaches do their job. Then he clearly learned how to run a practice since his time at ole miss. Do we have long term proof? no, but the short term sign says he has learned to change.
as of now i don't see how O isn't at the top of tier 2 just based on results and what we are seeing off the field.
Tier 1 is small with only 3 real options: Chip, Herman and Jimbo. the rest of the tier 1 is Saban, Meyer, Harbaugh. After that group of coaches its all speculation about who would win at LSU.
eta and he is now 9-2 since ole miss, which is somewhat impressive considering he has only been able to implement small changes. I don't think we should just hand him the job, but I'm not going to just shut him out because 10 years ago in his first role as head coach he fricked it up.
as of now i don't see how O isn't at the top of tier 2 just based on results and what we are seeing off the field.
Tier 1 is small with only 3 real options: Chip, Herman and Jimbo. the rest of the tier 1 is Saban, Meyer, Harbaugh. After that group of coaches its all speculation about who would win at LSU.
eta and he is now 9-2 since ole miss, which is somewhat impressive considering he has only been able to implement small changes. I don't think we should just hand him the job, but I'm not going to just shut him out because 10 years ago in his first role as head coach he fricked it up.
This post was edited on 10/24/16 at 10:22 am
Posted on 10/24/16 at 10:20 am to Goldrush25
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I am in bewilderment as to how this is getting so much mileage. He's learned from his mistakes because he said so? Why is that resonating with so many people?
He needs to prove he's learned from those mistakes.... at somewhere besides LSU.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 10:21 am to Muahahaha
Next year is a rebuilding year for LSU and the schedule is brutal, so the answer is no, not immediately. However, long term he can if he doesn't mircomanage the team.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 10:22 am to Goldrush25
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I am in bewilderment as to how this is getting so much mileage. He's learned from his mistakes because he said so? Why is that resonating with so many people?
Maybe it's because our offense doesn't look like hot sh*t anymore and the team is actually making in game adjustments and getting more players involved in the passing game and breaking offensive records left and right? Maybe nobody gives a sh*t about what happened 10 years ago and are liking what they are seeing this year? IDK pick one.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 10:22 am to Goldrush25
quote:I'm just watching his performance so far and basing on that. it's not that hard.
He's learned from his mistakes because he said so? Why is that resonating with so many people?
Posted on 10/24/16 at 10:22 am to ibleedprplngld
if we get chip, herman or jimbo. then sure let him go prove it at another program until chip or jimbo retire or Herman leaves for the nfl.
however, if it gets to tier 2 which is extremely likely then its a bit more tricky.
however, if it gets to tier 2 which is extremely likely then its a bit more tricky.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 10:24 am to GeauxLSUGeaux
fwiw ill take the person in a profession that failed 10 years ago but can tell me why he failed in that situation and how things should be done now.
is it the best first option? not really, but considering this is a coaching search you aren't going to always hit on plan A.
in fact most searches don't hit on plan A. Then you go down the list and that is where it gets tricky.
is it the best first option? not really, but considering this is a coaching search you aren't going to always hit on plan A.
in fact most searches don't hit on plan A. Then you go down the list and that is where it gets tricky.
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