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re: purdue bringing hazell back for fourth year
Posted on 11/6/15 at 9:52 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Posted on 11/6/15 at 9:52 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Purdue is close to turning it around, good move to see how next year plays out. IU coach probably is going to get fired unless he wins 2 out of the next 4.
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Posted on 11/6/15 at 10:02 am to BMC398
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We just need a guy who can beat out Iowa, Wisky, MSU, IU, Kentucky, Pitt, Mizzou, Ill and NW for talent and we will be decent again.
Purdue is so far behind Iowa, Wisconsin, Missouri, and Michigan State.
- Iowa is seeing a resurgence under a regime that has been at one place under a HC that has been at one place longer than any active coach in the country not named Bob Stoops.
- Missouri has the SEC allure and has five 10+ win seasons in the last nine years.
- Wisconsin has the second most B1G Championships since Penn State has joined the B1G, been to three Rose Bowls this decade, and four 10+ win seasons in the last six.
- Michigan State has quickly elevated themselves into one of the better football programs in the country and have a sense of continuity under Mark Dantonio. They have a chance for back-to-back-to-back Top-5 finishes.
Posted on 11/6/15 at 10:52 am to hoopsgalore
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Purdue is so far behind Iowa, Wisconsin, Missouri, and Michigan State.
- Iowa is seeing a resurgence under a regime that has been at one place under a HC that has been at one place longer than any active coach in the country not named Bob Stoops.
- Missouri has the SEC allure and has five 10+ win seasons in the last nine years.
- Wisconsin has the second most B1G Championships since Penn State has joined the B1G, been to three Rose Bowls this decade, and four 10+ win seasons in the last six.
- Michigan State has quickly elevated themselves into one of the better football programs in the country and have a sense of continuity under Mark Dantonio. They have a chance for back-to-back-to-back Top-5 finishes.
Tell me more about how great Wisconsin was before 1993....
I'll tell you. Outside of Indiana, you were the worst program. Congrats for elevating yourself but it doesn't last forever.
I'm not saying that we can and should surpass these programs....but the key to winning again is doing so. All of the programs below have similar historical profiles to Purdue. All have been up, all have been down. Dantonio is doing a great job at MSU and will probably stick around a long time but he has a long way to go to elevating that program to a permanent, perennial contender.
When Tiller was here we routinely beat out the programs listed for recruits. To get back to high level winning, we need to have a guy who can replicate that AND also perfect the Xs and Os on the field.
Saying it can't be done is ignorant. It even happened at your formerly shite program.
Posted on 11/6/15 at 12:25 pm to BMC398
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Saying it can't be done is ignorant. It even happened at your formerly shite program.
Did I say it can't be done? No, I absolutely did not. I said that Purdue is so far behind the aforementioned four programs and that cannot be disputed.
It'll take more than a "decent coach."
No one cares about the historical profile of Purdue. Recruits don't. Today's prospects were still in elementary and middle school when Joe Tiller retired. The landscape of CFB has changed. No longer do teams come out of the cellar with a simple coaching change.
Since the time of Joe Tiller, Purdue has seen a complete downfall in the on-field product and it resulted in the largest drop in attendance in the entire country among P-5 programs (-28% from 2013 to 2014). This was the lowest the program has seen since 1951. Tom Schott, Senior Associate Athletics Director, said that ticket sales were set to be "on course" with last year. That is hitting rock bottom.
It'll be a long climb, and likely take longer than you are sitting here anticipating, even following the $60 million commitment to facility upgrades.
This post was edited on 11/6/15 at 12:29 pm
Posted on 11/6/15 at 12:37 pm to hoopsgalore
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Did I say it can't be done? No, I absolutely did not. I said that Purdue is so far behind the aforementioned four programs and that cannot be disputed.
It'll take more than a "decent coach."
No one cares about the historical profile of Purdue. Recruits don't. Today's prospects were still in elementary and middle school when Joe Tiller retired. The landscape of CFB has changed. No longer do teams come out of the cellar with a simple coaching change.
Since the time of Joe Tiller, Purdue has seen a complete downfall in the on-field product and it resulted in the largest drop in attendance in the entire country among P-5 programs (-28% from 2013 to 2014). This was the lowest the program has seen since 1951. Tom Schott, Senior Associate Athletics Director, said that ticket sales were set to be "on course" with last year. That is hitting rock bottom.
It'll be a long climb, and likely take longer than you are sitting here anticipating, even following the $60 million commitment to facility upgrades.
Enjoy YOUR slide down. That's all I will say.
Posted on 11/6/15 at 2:07 pm to BMC398
On top of them utilizing one the country's best walk-on and developmental programs, Wisconsin has typically been a program that does not recruit based on star-power by recruiting services.
That has certainly resulted in Wisconsin coming up short on the national stage (i.e. 2011).
However, Wisconsin, in this 2016 class, currently has the most (six by at least one service) four-star commits they've ever had.
You couple this success on the recruiting trail with a HC that calls Madison his home (went to HS, college, and previously an OC in Madison), a coaching staff that understands the difficult admission standards the university places on its athletes (well-documented), knows the culture of winning over the last 20+ years, and sees this more than a stepping-stone job... that "slide down" might be a bit longer than you are anticipating.
That has certainly resulted in Wisconsin coming up short on the national stage (i.e. 2011).
However, Wisconsin, in this 2016 class, currently has the most (six by at least one service) four-star commits they've ever had.
You couple this success on the recruiting trail with a HC that calls Madison his home (went to HS, college, and previously an OC in Madison), a coaching staff that understands the difficult admission standards the university places on its athletes (well-documented), knows the culture of winning over the last 20+ years, and sees this more than a stepping-stone job... that "slide down" might be a bit longer than you are anticipating.
Posted on 11/6/15 at 2:15 pm to CelticDog
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Pitt is sitting on the western PA gold mine
Did we just go back to 1974?
Posted on 11/6/15 at 4:01 pm to hoopsgalore
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On top of them utilizing one the country's best walk-on and developmental programs, Wisconsin has typically been a program that does not recruit based on star-power by recruiting services.
That has certainly resulted in Wisconsin coming up short on the national stage (i.e. 2011).
However, Wisconsin, in this 2016 class, currently has the most (six by at least one service) four-star commits they've ever had.
You couple this success on the recruiting trail with a HC that calls Madison his home (went to HS, college, and previously an OC in Madison), a coaching staff that understands the difficult admission standards the university places on its athletes (well-documented), knows the culture of winning over the last 20+ years, and sees this more than a stepping-stone job... that "slide down" might be a bit longer than you are anticipating.
Your last 2 coaches left town running...Sure...nothing to see there.
You hire a guy who is barely over .500 to take over. Not convinced the success will last. At least he's a Wisky guy so it will be harder for Barry to run him out of town like the last two.
Posted on 11/6/15 at 4:35 pm to BMC398
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Your last 2 coaches left town running...Sure...nothing to see there.
They did, hence why I emphasized that Paul Chryst is a Wisconsin man, through and through. He went to high school at Madison East, a short drive down East Washington Avenue to UW-Madison. He was a QB/TE for the Badgers. He was an OC for several years for the Badgers. He is now the HC in his home-state, his home city, and has an OC that also calls UW-Madison his alma mater.
There is no comparison between Paul Chryst, Bret Bielema, and Gary Andersen.
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You hire a guy who is barely over .500 to take over. Not convinced the success will last. At least he's a Wisky guy so it will be harder for Barry to run him out of town like the last two.
Wisconsin "[hired] a guy" that took over a Pittsburgh that had one of the most unstable coaching regimes in recent memory. Calling it a disaster is too strong, but he didn't take over a pretty program.
In case your memory needs a jog: Dave Wannstedt was fired in 2010 and was succeeded by Michael Haywood shortly after. Before ever getting settled, Haywood was fired less than a month on the job. Todd Graham was subsequently hired and left after a year for ASU.
In total, Pittsburgh had five different head coaches, including interim, in a span of two seasons before Paul Chryst took over.
Context is required when looking at raw data (i.e. W/L records). Additionally, Chryst's familiarity at Wisconsin bodes much better than it did at Pittsburgh. As it stands, he has a 2016 class that is slated to be Wisconsin's highest-rated class ever.
As stated previously, you might be waiting awhile for Wisconsin to "slide down."
I see you've added quite a bit to the conversation over your previous two posts.
This post was edited on 11/6/15 at 4:38 pm
Posted on 11/7/15 at 11:32 pm to hoopsgalore
might have been wrong
Posted on 11/8/15 at 5:57 pm to hoopsgalore
From down here in SEC country it looks like Wisky is light years ahead of Purdue and it would take at least a decade to change that perception. Wisky earned our respect by hanging tough with LSU and Bama and beating Auburn. Meanwhile Purdue hasn't been heard from in well over a decade.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 6:03 pm to BMC398
Although, Purdue is in the weaker B10 division.
I'd strongly consider going to the flexbone triple option and try to be GTech. They definitely need an edge, something to make them unique. I just don't see playing straight up being a viable path for them.
I'd strongly consider going to the flexbone triple option and try to be GTech. They definitely need an edge, something to make them unique. I just don't see playing straight up being a viable path for them.
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