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re: PJ Fleck for LSU: 13-0 & MAC Champs edition (#ReauxTheBeauxt)
Posted on 10/13/16 at 9:59 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 10/13/16 at 9:59 am to SlowFlowPro
It's funny, when you asked what is a mid-tier B1G program, all I could think of was PSU or maybe Nebraska. I think PSU would be smart to take a chance on Fleck. As to MSU, I think Narduzzi will take over when Dantonio retires. That guy is a bad arse and no one is talking about him.
This post was edited on 10/13/16 at 10:00 am
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Posted on 10/13/16 at 10:00 am to nvasil1
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I understand, but like I said in the other Fleck thread, the MAC coaches du jour that have been hired elsewhere have actually played for the conference title with other not-so-great programs.
he looks like he's on the way this year
but even within the MAC, WMU is a bottom feeder. he's not running NIU or CMU or one of the other MAC programs with some history of success. we have to keep that in mind
that doesn't always translate. just look at Franklin and his issues at PSU (Vandy is probably the SEC equivalent so it shows that this kind of momentum may fail even in bigger conferences)
again, I'm saying he's not ready for prime time but he should be the super clear-cut #1 option for any mid-tier BCS program looking for a coach, esp if they're in the midwest. if he can do well there and adapt to the higher pressure/media/booster influence, then i think he's going to be the clear-cut #1 guy for a top 10 BCS program in 3-4 years
Posted on 10/13/16 at 10:00 am to RuLSU
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Fleck is an interesting coach, but he hasn't had to deal with a serious media presence. He's never had to deal with his players on College GameDay or the effect that kind of thing can have on a locker room / team.
He's never had big league pressure heaped on him. He hasn't had to deal with the kind of money players he'd need to deal with at LSU.
In short, while he's an interesting coaching prospect, I can't say he's anywhere near ready for a program like LSU.
100% agree
Posted on 10/13/16 at 10:01 am to SlowFlowPro
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the MAC coaches
Nick Saban was a MAC coach at one point. So was Urban Meyer
Posted on 10/13/16 at 10:03 am to SlowFlowPro
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In short, while he's an interesting coaching prospect, I can't say he's anywhere near ready for a program like LSU.
Once you get past Herman, Jimbo, and Petrino every coach you can hire is going to have some big question marks. hell even those 3 have question marks.
If you dont think Fleck would be a better risk than Taggert or Fedora then i dont know what to tell you.
This post was edited on 10/13/16 at 10:05 am
Posted on 10/13/16 at 10:06 am to Draconian Sanctions
Urbs had to prove his mettle for a mega program at Utah, and Saban had his NFL experience to go from MSU to LSU -- and that was a borderline lateral transfer at that point in time.
Agree with everyone saying Baylor/Oregon/PSU is perfect for PJ right now.
Agree with everyone saying Baylor/Oregon/PSU is perfect for PJ right now.
This post was edited on 10/13/16 at 10:08 am
Posted on 10/13/16 at 10:08 am to Bunk Moreland
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Urrbs had to prove his mettle for a mega program at Utah and Saban had his NFL experience
So you really think the 2 years Urban spent at Utah made him THAT much better of a coach?
I swear some of you would have passed on Vince fricking Lombardi if you had been running the Packers because he didn't have any HC experience.
This post was edited on 10/13/16 at 10:09 am
Posted on 10/13/16 at 11:06 am to dos crystal
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Pump the breaks on Fleck but pay Herman 7-10 million
You said it, not me.
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I'm just lost as to how "herman" get's credit for beating Alabama and now Okie state as an o.c.?
You're the one that asked who he beat at Iowa State.
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However, Fleck, as a head coach, doesn't get credit for his accomplishments, that hasn't been done before, because he coaches at a MAC school. Very perplexing.
There's nothing perplexing. Everyone in this thread has given Fleck credit for what he's done. There have been articles written about him the last couple of seasons. Everyone is aware of his potential. Herman's resume is still a lot more robust than Fleck's as both a head coach and assistant.
If you like Fleck better than Herman, that's fine. LSU isn't going to hire him right now.
Posted on 10/13/16 at 11:08 am to RuLSU
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In short, while he's an interesting coaching prospect, I can't say he's anywhere near ready for a program like LSU.
I can think of a state college in New Jersey he'd be perfect for, though.
Posted on 10/13/16 at 11:09 am to SlowFlowPro
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again, I'm saying he's not ready for prime time but he should be the super clear-cut #1 option for any mid-tier BCS program looking for a coach, esp if they're in the midwest. if he can do well there and adapt to the higher pressure/media/booster influence, then i think he's going to be the clear-cut #1 guy for a top 10 BCS program in 3-4 years
Absolutely, all of this.
I was called ignorant in the other Fleck thread for saying he wasn't ready for the LSU job though.
Posted on 10/13/16 at 11:11 am to RuLSU
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I can think of a state college in New Jersey he'd be perfect for, though
Do you know if he was interviewed? I mentioned he was rumored for Rutgers last year, but didn't know if they ever contacted him.
Posted on 10/13/16 at 11:42 am to nvasil1
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Absolutely, all of this. I was called ignorant in the other Fleck thread for saying he wasn't ready for the LSU job though.
Jim Tressel? was he ready for ohio state out of Youngstown state?
So Urban was ready due to going to Utah for two years? (that's when they were mountain west)
So basically, we only look at American, Mountain west, CUSA, big east, I guess sun belt, and since malzahn and freeze came from there, and all the power 5 conferences for a head coach?
that just sounds silly to me.
Posted on 10/13/16 at 11:53 am to dos crystal
Tressel and Meyer had much deeper resumes than Fleck.
Posted on 10/13/16 at 12:13 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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So you really think the 2 years Urban spent at Utah made him THAT much better of a coach?
yes
it was bigger than Bowling Green
he refined his spread option there
and he had to prove he could recruit in a new area
i was a huge Meyer fan but he had a LOT of questions when he took over the UF job. he just happens to be one of the 10 (possibly 5) best CFB coaches of all time. you can't use him as a standard b/c he's just fricking awesome at being a CFB HC
Posted on 10/13/16 at 12:19 pm to dos crystal
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So Urban was ready due to going to Utah for two years? (that's when they were mountain west)
Urban went from Bowling Green to Utah to Florida
people in here are saying Fleck needs to go from WMU to a slightly bigger program to then be considered for a job like Florida (or LSU), which is the "Urban path". so yeah you can't act like Fleck has done what Urban did at this point without that middle jumping stone
Herman has a different path b/c he was an OC for a long time (again, Fleck has never been a coordinator) and then has a few years as a HC of a mid-major type program. i'm not saying it's "better" but it typically more proven for HC searches at major programs. i won't say it's an absolute equality but a year as coordinator at a major program is basically seen as similar value to a year as HC at a smaller program
This post was edited on 10/13/16 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 10/13/16 at 12:39 pm to nvasil1
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Do you know if he was interviewed? I mentioned he was rumored for Rutgers last year, but didn't know if they ever contacted him.
I know Fleck's name came up, but I don't know if he was interviewed.. There's not enough media coverage to have a full picture.
I know in November, the names being tossed around were Mario Cristobal and Al Golden, either of whom would have been home run hires for a program like Rutgers.
Fleck worked for Schiano at Rutgers, and then in Tampa Bay, so he'd be a "home" candidate, I suppose.
Chris Ash supposedly got the job because of his interview, but it was likely his interview and his "reasonable" salary demands. Rutgers is not talent deficient, so it's possible Ash will be out at the end of the year: Fleck would be a perfect fit.
Posted on 10/13/16 at 12:40 pm to Draconian Sanctions
He's definitely better than jimbo.
Posted on 10/13/16 at 12:43 pm to nvasil1
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Missing Rigg Patrick and Bobby's payment for this week. Friendly reminder
Herman has a deep resume?. Isn't this the guy everyone wants to hire?
He's been a h.c. Less time than fleck. Isn't the position that is open a head coach position?
One needs another head coaching gig to be considered and the other doesn't?
Sorry, do not see Herman as a much more established candidate. Their career mirrors one another.
If you want give the edge to Herman due to oc experience, I can understand to some degree. Just don't think that really matters. Sweeny and urban have succeeded without it. Ogeron not so much. However, there have been thousands of coordinators that have failed and many have succeeded.
I don't think you can discredit flecks experience playing at coaching in the NFL.
Posted on 10/13/16 at 1:41 pm to SlowFlowPro
I'm sure it helped some but i believe in hiring the best person available and all this talk of "seasoning" is overrated. great coaches are great coaches. i don't think Urban in 2005 was dramatically better than the Urban in 2003 and if he had been hired at a power school then he would have ended up doing just as well.
This post was edited on 10/13/16 at 1:42 pm
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