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re: Honest question: Does Sumlin Hire change perception of A&M?
Posted on 12/10/11 at 10:49 am to TbirdSpur2010
Posted on 12/10/11 at 10:49 am to TbirdSpur2010
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My question is, does hiring a black coach begin to change the perception of the casual observer? I know more than a few of my black friends who're on the team are excited to see Sumlin take the helm. Does this help A&M shed the "racist" label somewhat?
I've never view A&M as having a racist label. Having sex with household pets label, yes. Now whether a black coach can fix that pereception is a possiblity. But having female cheerleaders and not having your students squeeze their balls on national tv would probably have a greater effect.
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Posted on 12/10/11 at 10:59 am to TbirdSpur2010
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I know more than a few of my black friends who're on the team are excited to see Sumlin take the helm.
O RLY?
And why is that?
And I wonder what the perception of white players would be if they were to be excited about a white coach taking the helm simply b/c he was white.
Posted on 12/10/11 at 11:13 am to ATLTiger
I don't think it can hurt. I think your real problem is that your school is in the middle of the sticks. Not to mention most Ags are pretty wierd.
In my view it's an OK hire but you guys have to hit a homerun on the DC. I would throw the bank at Smart. He could prove that he can do it without Sabin and then get a head coach gig down the road.
In my view it's an OK hire but you guys have to hit a homerun on the DC. I would throw the bank at Smart. He could prove that he can do it without Sabin and then get a head coach gig down the road.
Posted on 12/10/11 at 11:27 am to TbirdSpur2010
To be honest, I don't think so. That perception is still very pervasive and is visually reinforced by the "cadets" who look like Neo-nazis on parade.
This post was edited on 12/10/11 at 11:28 am
Posted on 12/10/11 at 12:47 pm to Touchdowns4LSU
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There is nowhere near the passion for football in Texas as there is in Oklahoma, Arkansas and Louisiana
Wait, what? See high schools with football facilities better than most colleges in the three states listed above as evidence to the contrary.
To the original question, I do think it can help change the image if he wins and becomes a big name, as stated before. I think not showing the Corps on every crowd shot when we're on TV would go a long ways also (I don't have anything against the Corps, but to outsiders their appearance definitely gives off that image)
Posted on 12/10/11 at 1:05 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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I know more than a few of my black friends who're on the team are excited to see Sumlin take the helm
are they excited because they feel he is a good coach or that he is black?
Honest answer?
Posted on 12/10/11 at 1:08 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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Maybe this helps.....look, there HAS to be some reason A&M had been a massive failure in the modern (Post WWII) era of college football. No national titles. No top 5 finish in close to 60 years. How can this happen to a big school with a solid academic foundation that doesn't lack for resources and is close to the fertile recruiting grounds of Dallas & Houston?
well, its a little unfair to say simply post WWII.
We were still a small all male military school up until the early 60's. It was around 65 that being a member of the Corps was no longer required. Still, it wasn't until scholarship limits came in the early 70s that we were able to start moving up.
We actually were doing building from through the until RC's last few years went bad. The biggest issue under RC was his AD was a bean counter that had to be begged to take a tour of the facilities at Texas to see how far behind we were. By the time the facilities got their much needed upgrades, RC was already too far behind. Hiring Fran crushed the program and Sherman was really only able to get us back to where we were at least recruiting moderately well.
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There is nowhere near the passion for football in Texas as there is in Oklahoma, Arkansas and Louisiana
you clearly have no idea what you are talking about.
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To the original question, I do think it can help change the image if he wins and becomes a big name, as stated before. I think not showing the Corps on every crowd shot when we're on TV would go a long ways also (I don't have anything against the Corps, but to outsiders their appearance definitely gives off that image)
I really wish the Corps Block would be broken up. Its not even 10 years old and is only in place to make it easier to do make sure the members show up for the games. I feel like separating them only creates divisions at the school that shouldn't be there and it gives lazy TV people a simple camera shot to use that pigeonholes our school as something that is really only a small part of everything we are about.
This post was edited on 12/10/11 at 1:11 pm
Posted on 12/10/11 at 2:36 pm to Atari
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I guarantee you that on the first 3 and out more than a few "f*&king ni***r" will be heard at the tackle box.
Maybe in the suites. In the stands, that would probably get your arse kicked.
I don't have anywhere near the passion I had for "Aggie-ness" that I did as a student, and really don't care what most people think of the school anymore, but every time I go back to visit I am astounded by what a friendly environment there is in College Station. You wouldn't necessarily get your arse kicked for saying a racist word, but for being impolite.
Posted on 12/10/11 at 2:40 pm to Dr RC
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I really wish the Corps Block would be broken up. Its not even 10 years old and is only in place to make it easier to do make sure the members show up for the games. I feel like separating them only creates divisions at the school that shouldn't be there and it gives lazy TV people a simple camera shot to use that pigeonholes our school as something that is really only a small part of everything we are about
Posted on 12/10/11 at 2:43 pm to TbirdSpur2010
Yeah, it makes your University look like they don't give a shite about football.
Oh you meant racial perception. No. I never viewed A&M as a "Racist" school. So, hiring a black coach doesn't affect you at all.
Oh you meant racial perception. No. I never viewed A&M as a "Racist" school. So, hiring a black coach doesn't affect you at all.
Posted on 12/10/11 at 2:49 pm to TbirdSpur2010
There will always be white trash rednecks and I would never give them any thought. Be proud of your school and thankful you have an education. Rednecks are everywhere. You would be surprised how many very powerful people in positions like doctors and lawyers and big businessmen are trashy rednecks. Its not just poor white people that live in the woods and as a matter of fact I think it is less them than it is the rich.
Posted on 12/10/11 at 2:53 pm to Touchdowns4LSU
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There is nowhere near the passion for football in Texas as there is in Oklahoma, Arkansas and Louisiana
Posted on 12/10/11 at 2:55 pm to Touchdowns4LSU
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There is nowhere near the passion for football in Texas as there is in Oklahoma, Arkansas and Louisiana simply because those states only have ONE TEAM, two in Oklahoma. When you have your fan base split 25% among the bigger teams you will never meet the challenges of one or at most two state elite teams.
Posted on 12/10/11 at 2:57 pm to mattz1122
TAMU are alot of things I don't like but they certainly are not racist! This is a terrible post.
Posted on 12/10/11 at 2:58 pm to PurpleandGold Motown
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Yeah, it makes your University look like they don't give a shite about football
I question the adminstration on this. Our fan base has to
quite often. Posted on 12/10/11 at 3:42 pm to Lettuce22
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No top 5 finish in close to 60 years
Not as bad as that sounds. We were routinely top 10 and then lost our bowl game. We never finished high because if bowl losses.
Still, we lost the bowl and not making excuses. Just rationalizing a bit
Posted on 12/10/11 at 3:47 pm to Big Kat
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We were routinely top 10 and then lost our bowl game. We never finished high because if bowl losses.
If you are routinely losing the last two games of the year, it is bad as it sounds.
Posted on 12/10/11 at 6:46 pm to TigerintheNO
I knew their would be that one a-hole 
Posted on 12/10/11 at 6:49 pm to TigerintheNO
To the OP, you will know your answer based off how the fanbase handles Sumlin's failures......Everybody loves their "magical negro" win they are winning. How do they handle his losses. Time will tell.
Posted on 12/10/11 at 6:53 pm to The Gooch
Magical Negro + Visor = Championships
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