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re: HC "lets his OC/DC coach" is a BAD THING
Posted on 10/26/16 at 11:27 am to Tiger Phil
Posted on 10/26/16 at 11:27 am to Tiger Phil
This thread is dumb. There are multiple examples of guys that were not coordinators that have been very successful.
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 11:29 am to TheDrunkenTigah
With this line of thinking, will Coach O ever be responsible for losses? I can already see future losses being blamed on the coordinators and not Coach O. Are we just going to keep him as HC forever and rotate out our coordinators until we find the ones that work?
Posted on 10/26/16 at 11:30 am to Tiger Phil
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how can he be in charge of either coordinator?
Because he's the guy that hired them, and he can make them unemployed in a second.
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He needs to be a very good football coach
You think O isn't a very good football
Coach? Have you seen his resume?
Posted on 10/26/16 at 11:32 am to BayouBengals18
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You think O isn't a very good football
Coach? Have you seen his resume?
Yes. It goes something like this:
DLine
DLine
DLine
DLine
DLine
Shitty HC
DLine
DLine
DLine
ETA: I forgot the Interim HC parts but you get the gist of where I'm going.
This post was edited on 10/26/16 at 11:34 am
Posted on 10/26/16 at 11:35 am to Tiger Phil
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My point was not to go after Dabo. My point was that he is the only coach I can think of that has had success at the same place after being named the interim, then earning the head coach job.
Yeah I know....just something I had to get off my chest
Posted on 10/26/16 at 11:41 am to abellsujr
You let your OC "coach" because O really doesnt know anything about offense.
Love O but he knows one thing and its defensive line coaching.
Really dont want Alleva to screw this up and let another Miles like emotional moment screw up the potential future of LSU football.
You make O the highest paid DL coach in college football history and leave it at that.
Love O but he knows one thing and its defensive line coaching.
Really dont want Alleva to screw this up and let another Miles like emotional moment screw up the potential future of LSU football.
You make O the highest paid DL coach in college football history and leave it at that.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 11:47 am to mikrit54
Do you think Urban Meyers isn't Qualified to be a coordinator?
He basically invented his own style of offense. He just went on to coach at a very small school first at a very young age.
He basically invented his own style of offense. He just went on to coach at a very small school first at a very young age.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 11:50 am to Tiger Phil
well said.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 12:23 pm to 7nette
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With this line of thinking, will Coach O ever be responsible for losses?
Hell it's not like that will be a stretch, we're already not giving him credit for wins.
I'm mostly joking, but the 03' crew around here loves to knight for Jimbo by saying his DC is who is losing him games, while completely failing to mention Jimbo not only hired him but fought to retain him after last season, giving him a raise. Every HC gets about one pass on hiring a bad coordinator, two and it's a deficiency.
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I can already see future losses being blamed on the coordinators and not Coach O. Are we just going to keep him as HC forever and rotate out our coordinators until we find the ones that work?
You think the head coach of LSU won't ultimately be blamed for losses? Have you been asleep for 12 years?
Orgeron won't last long if he can't make the right hires and win games. That's the whole reason why we're having this convo right now, he's winning. If he loses two out of the next three I'll help him pack.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 12:28 pm to BayouBengals18
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 12:37 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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Orgeron won't last long if he can't make the right hires and win games
True of any coach including Herman and Fisher
Posted on 10/26/16 at 12:38 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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What a ridiculous thread.
Thank you for your insightful comment to the discussion. We are certainly all the richer for it. Again, thanks.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 12:39 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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You think the head coach of LSU won't ultimately be blamed for losses?
I can see more people white knighting coach O than Miles. He's one of us remember? He sits aside and lets the OC/DC do their jobs, why would he be responsible for the loss if he's not the one at fault? If we lose against Bama in 2 weeks it'll be Ensmingers fault.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 12:40 pm to BayouBengals18
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how can he be in charge of either coordinator? Because he's the guy that hired them, and he can make them unemployed in a second.
Missing the point.
Firing someone is not the best solution. The best solution is to raise their level of performance through superior leadership. If he is not qualified to make those judgments, his leadership of the coordinators will be deficient. He can be in charge nominally, but if his only recourse is to fire them, he is a poor leader.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 12:52 pm to Tiger Phil
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Firing someone is not the best solution. The best solution is to raise their level of performance through superior leadership. If he is not qualified to make those judgments, his leadership of the coordinators will be deficient. He can be in charge nominally, but if his only recourse is to fire them, he is a poor leader.
Dude, what?
Teaching ability and leadership are two very different things. Coordinators at major programs aren't learning on the job, at least not for the coordinator role. Their style and approach either works or it doesn't. They're not selling insurance, they're calling plays.
Again, if a HC is an offensive guy, and his defense struggles, how would his response to that issue be any different from Orgeron's? His primary responsibility is to identify if the issue is correctable, and if not, have the wherewithal to fire the guy and replace him with someone else. If they aren't intimately knowledgeable with that side of the ball, they will just use their best judgement.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 12:54 pm to 7nette
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If we lose against Bama in 2 weeks it'll be Ensmingers fault.
Can I get the powerball numbers?
Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:03 pm to mikrit54
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Urban was never a coordinator. Has done fairly well.
Urban also had a lot of success as an HC at lower schools before going to Florida and tOSU. O was never a coordinator AND failed as an HC that should cause for some serious concern. Especially when other coaches are available, we assume.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:06 pm to ibleedprplngld
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ETA: I forgot the Interim HC parts but you get the gist of where I'm going.
Even with those positives he was so terrible at ole miss he still has a losing record even when factoring in his interim jobs.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:22 pm to SammyTiger
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Do you think Urban Meyers isn't Qualified to be a coordinator? He basically invented his own style of offense. He just went on to coach at a very small school first at a very young age.
I never said he wasn't qualified. Damn.
Why wasn't he a coordinator??
Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:28 pm to Tiger Tracker
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O was never a coordinator AND failed as an HC that should cause for some serious concern.
Of course.
But in coaching, a lot of decisions include "what have you done lately?"
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