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Best Job rankings do not matter AT ALL
Posted on 9/27/16 at 5:15 pm
Posted on 9/27/16 at 5:15 pm
There is a very limited number of good to great coaches, and the number looking to change jobs in a given year is extremely limited. It's not as if there are a million good coaches available, the best will go to the best job, the 2nd best goes to the 2nd best etc.
Different coaches value different things and are just as capable of being irrational as anyone else. Their personal preferences vary wildly. So, Good Coach A thinks USC is better because his son wants to go there and he likes the culture of the West Coast. Good Coach B thinks LSU is better because he like Louisiana recruits and wants to be in the SEC. And that's pretty much it. Even if an objective ranking existed, the pool of candidates isn't anywhere near large enough to see any correlation whatsoever.
This is not even to mention that different AD's are also valuing different things which makes it even more of a useless exercise.
At best the only thing that matters are general tiers, and even that can have exceptions (eg, maybe the guy at Kent State thinks it's the best place on earth). LSU is in the top tier of good destination jobs along with a dozen or so other schools. They're not in the stepping stone tier.
Even if we had an infallible supercomputer that could objectively and indisputably rank the best jobs in the nation, whether LSU came out at #1 or #15 would make absolutely zero practical difference in a coaching search. None.
Tldr: LSU is a great job. Who gives a frick where it ranks
Different coaches value different things and are just as capable of being irrational as anyone else. Their personal preferences vary wildly. So, Good Coach A thinks USC is better because his son wants to go there and he likes the culture of the West Coast. Good Coach B thinks LSU is better because he like Louisiana recruits and wants to be in the SEC. And that's pretty much it. Even if an objective ranking existed, the pool of candidates isn't anywhere near large enough to see any correlation whatsoever.
This is not even to mention that different AD's are also valuing different things which makes it even more of a useless exercise.
At best the only thing that matters are general tiers, and even that can have exceptions (eg, maybe the guy at Kent State thinks it's the best place on earth). LSU is in the top tier of good destination jobs along with a dozen or so other schools. They're not in the stepping stone tier.
Even if we had an infallible supercomputer that could objectively and indisputably rank the best jobs in the nation, whether LSU came out at #1 or #15 would make absolutely zero practical difference in a coaching search. None.
Tldr: LSU is a great job. Who gives a frick where it ranks
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Posted on 9/27/16 at 5:17 pm to genro
Have an upvote.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 5:20 pm to genro
Most of the people who care where LSU ranks aren't LSU fans. Go to tRant and there are two Auburn fans blowing up a thread on this.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 5:24 pm to genro
I think there are three tiers.
"Elite"- top 15-20 jobs
"Destination" - Most Power 5 jobs
"Stepping Stone" - we all know these
I think it's disingenuous to say a Mizzou or Maryland is practically as good as a LSU.
"Elite"- top 15-20 jobs
"Destination" - Most Power 5 jobs
"Stepping Stone" - we all know these
I think it's disingenuous to say a Mizzou or Maryland is practically as good as a LSU.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 5:29 pm to cardboardboxer
Agree with your tiers
Though there are still exceptions. VTech was certainly middle tier and is now borderline at best, but Beamer wouldn't leave for a top tier because he loved the place.
So it helps a lot but it's never a guarantee.
quote:Yeah that's ridiculous.
I think it's disingenuous to say a Mizzou or Maryland is practically as good as a LSU.
Though there are still exceptions. VTech was certainly middle tier and is now borderline at best, but Beamer wouldn't leave for a top tier because he loved the place.
So it helps a lot but it's never a guarantee.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 5:38 pm to cardboardboxer
quote:
I think it's disingenuous to say a Mizzou or Maryland is practically as good as a LSU
They're not, and this is off topic but Maryland is a program I would consider a sleeping giant. They are the Under Armour to Oregon's Nike, except they're right down the street from DC and the tidewater area, two places with mega talent, and not in bumfrick oregon. Wouldn't shock me at all if they were a powerhouse in 20 years
Posted on 9/27/16 at 5:46 pm to genro
While I agree with everything you posted, the contract also makes a big difference for almost all coaches. If the contracts are relatively even, then they don't matter that much. However, 5 mil/yr vs 6 mil/yr can make a huge difference in whether a coach will come or not.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 5:49 pm to genro
Agree with everything
Posted on 9/27/16 at 6:19 pm to HurricaneTiger
Yeah the money matters but usually the elite jobs for other reasons also have more money too.
New money jumping a tier like an Oregon is rare.
New money jumping a tier like an Oregon is rare.
This post was edited on 9/27/16 at 6:20 pm
Posted on 9/27/16 at 6:23 pm to genro
Gary Patterson at TCU agrees with you. Beginning to think he'd never go anywhere else. Upvote.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 6:32 pm to BayouBengals18
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Most of the people who care where LSU ranks aren't LSU fans. Go to tRant and there are two Auburn fans blowing up a thread on this.
how about a little comic relief at the expense of a common rival
LINK
Posted on 9/27/16 at 6:52 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
Maryland (the university) really isn't close to the tidewater area of Virginia.
This post was edited on 9/27/16 at 6:53 pm
Posted on 9/27/16 at 7:48 pm to genro
Tiers:
1. Have championships been won there before?
2. Can you compete for championships there?
3. Can you win enough to change the culture to compete for championships there?
4. Can you win at all there?
1. Have championships been won there before?
2. Can you compete for championships there?
3. Can you win enough to change the culture to compete for championships there?
4. Can you win at all there?
Posted on 9/27/16 at 8:20 pm to SeekGreatness
quote:
Patterson at TCU agrees with you. Beginning to think he'd never go anywhere else. Upvote.
You're "beginning to think" a guy who's been at his current job for 17 years isn't going anywhere?
Really stepping out on a limb there.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 9:00 pm to VABuckeye
quote:
Maryland (the university) really isn't close to the tidewater area of Virginia.
It's less than 200 miles up I-95 from Hampton to College Park
This post was edited on 9/27/16 at 9:03 pm
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