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re: UPDATE: Info on possible Texas Coaching Search
Posted on 12/4/13 at 10:50 am to beardedzeus
Posted on 12/4/13 at 10:50 am to beardedzeus
1) If Texas beats Baylor and is co-champ of the conference, i am not sure that Brown goes.
2) Assuming Brown does go, it is foolish to think that any coach out there might not be in play. There are people at Texas pushing and the right coach could end up being the highest paid coach in college or pros.
3) It is not a question of matching imho. If Bama loves Saban (for instance) why not pay him $8mm per right now? If Texas comes hard after Saban or Meyer or anyone else, there is a chance they get their guy. Big money, big facilities, ESPN network, fertile recruiting, no significant in state competition, Austin is a heck of a town.
2) Assuming Brown does go, it is foolish to think that any coach out there might not be in play. There are people at Texas pushing and the right coach could end up being the highest paid coach in college or pros.
3) It is not a question of matching imho. If Bama loves Saban (for instance) why not pay him $8mm per right now? If Texas comes hard after Saban or Meyer or anyone else, there is a chance they get their guy. Big money, big facilities, ESPN network, fertile recruiting, no significant in state competition, Austin is a heck of a town.
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Posted on 12/4/13 at 10:58 am to OrangeBlood
I updated the first post in this thread to reflect some new info I have received... 
Posted on 12/4/13 at 11:02 am to Chicken
Not flaming but is this the same source that said frank herron was committing to texas on signing day last yr?
Posted on 12/4/13 at 11:08 am to UT755LN
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3) It is not a question of matching imho. If Bama loves Saban (for instance) why not pay him $8mm per right now? If Texas comes hard after Saban or Meyer or anyone else, there is a chance they get their guy. Big money, big facilities, ESPN network, fertile recruiting, no significant in state competition, Austin is a heck of a town.
Both of these are overstated by UT fans.
Brown has found the LHN to be hindrance, and Saban would absolutely hate something like that.
As far as recruiting, no offense, but I'd take the top recruits from Alabama, Georgia, and Louisiana any day over the top kids from Texas. Texas high school football produces too many soft kids who run the spread -- AL/GA/LA produce the monsters who have made the SEC what it is today.
This post was edited on 12/4/13 at 11:09 am
Posted on 12/4/13 at 11:10 am to Chicken
Nice change to the OP - lot's of stuff there. Just MO below...
Your info is consistent with info being put out there in certain Texas circles (even certain Texas websites). Mack is gone. It doesn't matter what happens...champs, co-champs, third place, Fiesta, Cotton, whatever. I could not be more sure of this. If I'm wrong, hey, I'll be the first to admit I was wrong. And I recognize that sometimes, the situation is fluid. So I'll say I'm 99.99% sure.
Urban's not coming. If Texas had fired Mack two years ago, I am fairly certain Meyer would be the coach at Texas - you're correct that he had expressed interest informally. But that was at a time where there was no collective willpower to get rid of Mack.
This has been reported - I think it's accurate as well. Pro coaches are waking up and realizing that they can make as much money at big time college programs as the NFL and work about 75% as much.
I believe Texas would contact Shaw after the top tier (maybe even after a guy like Harbaugh). Shaw would get the immediate approval of the administration as well considering he's a Stanford guy. Consider where Texas' president came from (hint, Cal Berkley).
God help Muschamp. Major has underwhelmed - but I can see Major spinning it to Will that it was due to Mack's meddling. Will, of all people, would understand and believe it.
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If Mack beats Baylor Saturday he is co-champ of the Big 12. If that happens and if OU beats OSU, then UT would be in the BCS. If UT wins but OU loses, he would be in the Cotton. At the end of the day if he wins the conference outright, no one will fire him. If he is co-champ I personally doubt that they fire him. If he leaves at that point it would be because he is pissed off or unhappy that UT has been putting out feelers for replacements behind his back.
Your info is consistent with info being put out there in certain Texas circles (even certain Texas websites). Mack is gone. It doesn't matter what happens...champs, co-champs, third place, Fiesta, Cotton, whatever. I could not be more sure of this. If I'm wrong, hey, I'll be the first to admit I was wrong. And I recognize that sometimes, the situation is fluid. So I'll say I'm 99.99% sure.
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Assuming he does leave, Texas is going to swing big initially...in the words of an influentual donor, the mantra now is Championships...the best predictor of future success is past success. Big money alums have committed to underwriting the cost of a new coach. Texas is going to make an initial run at Nick Saban or Urban Meyers and throw $7 to 8 million per year at them. Urban had visited UT at least three times after he left Florida with interest in the job if it became available. This was before he took the Ohio State job.
Urban's not coming. If Texas had fired Mack two years ago, I am fairly certain Meyer would be the coach at Texas - you're correct that he had expressed interest informally. But that was at a time where there was no collective willpower to get rid of Mack.
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John Harbaugh (Ravens) has also expressed interest through backchannels.
This has been reported - I think it's accurate as well. Pro coaches are waking up and realizing that they can make as much money at big time college programs as the NFL and work about 75% as much.
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If they strike out with these guys, then you will see the focus slide to the people on the list below. The two names on that list that have been specifically mentioned by insiders are Mahlzan and Mora Jr. Mahlzan's agent has contacted Texas and asked that if the job comes up to call him. It is basically the same story with Mora Jr. who has some kind of relationship with the new Texas A.D., although Mora Jr. just agreed to new deal with UCLA.
I believe Texas would contact Shaw after the top tier (maybe even after a guy like Harbaugh). Shaw would get the immediate approval of the administration as well considering he's a Stanford guy. Consider where Texas' president came from (hint, Cal Berkley).
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On a side note, look for Major Applewhite to possibly make a lateral move to be OC at Florida. He and Muschamp are very tight. Major well respected as a coach and gets a lot of credit for the success of UT this year despite some major injuries on the offensive side of the ball.
God help Muschamp. Major has underwhelmed - but I can see Major spinning it to Will that it was due to Mack's meddling. Will, of all people, would understand and believe it.
Posted on 12/4/13 at 11:13 am to Chicken
Posted on 12/4/13 at 11:23 am to Feral
"As far as recruiting, no offense, but I'd take the top recruits from Alabama, Georgia, and Louisiana any day over the top kids from Texas. Texas high school football produces too many soft kids who run the spread -- AL/GA/LA produce the monsters who have made the SEC what it is today."
No offense taken, this is just a conversation. If you look in the NFL right now there are more players from Texas then any other state followed closely by Florida. The NFL talent includes 10 current QBs for example.
One of my personal knocks on Mack is that while he recruits the Rivals list well, he doesn't necessarily develop talent well. In addition I think that he spends too much time in Texas and not enough time recruiting border states.
If you take a more industrious coach who pulls 15 top 50 kids from Texas each year and then pull 1 or 2 kids out of Oklahoma, Arkansas, Louisiana ect... it could be a very different result.
No offense taken, this is just a conversation. If you look in the NFL right now there are more players from Texas then any other state followed closely by Florida. The NFL talent includes 10 current QBs for example.
One of my personal knocks on Mack is that while he recruits the Rivals list well, he doesn't necessarily develop talent well. In addition I think that he spends too much time in Texas and not enough time recruiting border states.
If you take a more industrious coach who pulls 15 top 50 kids from Texas each year and then pull 1 or 2 kids out of Oklahoma, Arkansas, Louisiana ect... it could be a very different result.
Posted on 12/4/13 at 11:30 am to Chicken
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Texas is going to make an initial run
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Mahlzan's agent
Sounds like if they force out Mack, a bunch of coaches are going to get a new contract and Jimmy is going to buy a new yatch (or 10) before they get to their man. I'm sure they will try to money whip someone. I'm not sure it will work. It's pretty rare for coaches to leave a good school just over money. There's always some underlying reason.
It could be ties to a school (Sark), it could be a poor relationship with the AD (Beliema), or it could be sanctions they didn't create and don't want to deal with (Fran) but the number of coaches that go from one major school to another is incredibly small to begin with. But there are always a few that get paid as rumors swirl (Briles, Sumlin, Mora already this year). Texas is going to get a bunch of guys paid - probably including every single Jimmy Sexton client
Posted on 12/4/13 at 11:53 am to OrangeBlood
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but that alone would not rule Briles out.
Why would Briles want to go to UT? This was a guy making 50k a year not too long ago coaching HS football. And extra million or two may not be that important to him considering what he makes now.
Briles has always thrived on the underdog role, and with Baylor building a new stadium, it could likely be named after him one day. The Baylor administration has demonstrated a commitment to winning, and Briles has all kinds of resources.
Briles seems like the type of guy that would HATE the LHN. The man wants to coach football, not be a politician and constantly kiss the asses of UT boosters who want strong access to the program.
Posted on 12/4/13 at 12:00 pm to Sevendust912
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Why would Briles want to go to UT?
I don't believe I've ever said he does. We were discussing the reasons why Texas might not want Briles - not the other way around.
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Briles seems like the type of guy that would HATE the LHN. The man wants to coach football, not be a politician and constantly kiss the asses of UT boosters who want strong access to the program.
You're confusing "Mack's Texas" with what Texas will/could be without Mack (and what it has been in the past). There is more booster involvement at Texas than at most schools, yes, but Mack has cultivated that to an extraordinary level. And it's made it harder for him to be fired. Win and win big and boosters will be taken care of - now if you lose and the boosters don't like you? Just makes it a quicker firing (see Mackovic). As I said in another post - the LHN is Mack's red herring. ESPN and IMG have always been willing to tailor the time commitment to the desires of the coach.
ETA - I agree with this, he fits better in this role, which is largely impossible to have at Texas.
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Briles has always thrived on the underdog role, and with Baylor building a new stadium, it could likely be named after him one day.
This post was edited on 12/4/13 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 12/4/13 at 12:05 pm to tmc94
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It's pretty rare for coaches to leave a good school just over money. There's always some underlying reason.
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Texas is going to get a bunch of guys paid - probably including every single Jimmy Sexton client
I agree. Ask yourself who's driving this - Saban or Sexton? Because it makes a big difference.
The motivation for Sexton is money. That's why if you see Sexton behind this, it's just the annual holdup.
For Saban however, the motivation is power and control and very little else. Yes, both schools have more than enough money, but the UT people will have to agree to give far more than what realistically is other people's money. The UT AD / Board of Regents will have to give up their ego-base and hand the keys to the kingdom to Nick.
So if you believe Saban is behind this, the real question is - will the UT AD / Board of Regents give Saban their effective birthright? Remember, without those positions in the Texas Old Boy's Club, they are just another sad old man living on granddaddy's money.
Posted on 12/4/13 at 12:09 pm to TiggerWoods
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I don't see Saban leaving what he has built to start over again
Agree...He is stable,job security and now past the negativity from his previous moves. Also think he felt embarrassed to lose like that Sat and will be motivated to compete and beat Gus
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I also don't see Malzahn job hopping once again when he should have a much imrpoved team next season.
He may leave but I hope he stays. SEC is good because it had good coaches. The AU turnaround is the story of the year in the SEC and he has brought the buzz back to the Plains. Gus stays one more yr atleast unless Texas offers a deal he just cant pass up pending Mack stepping down. Gus is only 48yrs old....still a ton of coaching left for him to do.
Posted on 12/4/13 at 12:11 pm to Coeur du Tigre
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For Saban however, the motivation is power and control and very little else. Yes, both schools have more than enough money, but the UT people will have to agree to give far more than what realistically is other people's money. The UT AD / Board of Regents will have to give up their ego-base and hand the keys to the kingdom to Nick
Right idea but wrong group - not the BOR/AD (this may change a bit with Patterson coming in) but the biggest of the big boosters. That group may include a BOR or two but will also include several others.
Posted on 12/4/13 at 12:23 pm to OrangeBlood
yeah I think Red and JJ are too old and senile to be on the BOR. Well, that and they aren't Perry lapdogs
Posted on 12/4/13 at 12:26 pm to Chicken
So just to get this straight, they wouldn't go after Miles? One of the winningest coaches of the decade.
Do folks really just not respect him that much?
Do folks really just not respect him that much?
This post was edited on 12/4/13 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 12/4/13 at 12:30 pm to BuccWildBammer
quote:Oh, but of course...
Malzahn will get a chance to take it
Posted on 12/4/13 at 12:30 pm to OrangeBlood
quote:Which of these biggest boosters signs contracts for the UT Athletic Dept.?
Right idea but wrong group - not the BOR/AD (this may change a bit with Patterson coming in) but the biggest of the big boosters. That group may include a BOR or two but will also include several others.
That's my point entirely - would the big money crowd sit back and shut up while Saban takes control of every facet of the football program? Because that's what it's all about with Saban - not money but control. Absolute and total control.
Do you see anyone in Tuscaloosa telling Nick anything? If Texas wants him, that's what the big boosters will have to learn how to do. And I don't see that crowd ever learning to keep their mouths shut over anything.
Posted on 12/4/13 at 12:34 pm to OrangeBlood
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(this may change a bit with Patterson coming in)
Whats the rub with Steve Patterson? I heard this guy loves to fire people, and cleaned house at ASU by axing over 100 people in the AD
Posted on 12/4/13 at 12:39 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
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So just to get this straight, they wouldn't go after Miles? One of the winningest coaches of the decade.
he got a new contract last year. Jimmy will wait another year til someone "makes a run" at Miles.
Posted on 12/4/13 at 12:44 pm to LSU GrandDad
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for example, if tejas boosters go all in and offer saban 25 million per year what do you think that would do to their university's image. hell, the president should resign; make a statement. this is a fricking college!
While I'm lukewarm on the rest of your post, I agree with this.
The faculty has already rumbled about Brown getting $5 million. Never mind that not a penny is coming from the academic side of things (except for a paltry base salary as a university employee, probably $200K) or taxpayer money (except for the base, illegal in Texas).
The faculty argued that the University subsidizes athletics in other ways, such as providing the land upon which the stadium sits (and the original stadium construction), parking in the vicinity on gameday, and support staff like the UT police department (among others), along with the Longhorn silhouette that is branded on merchandise and the classrooms and instructors to which athletes are privy. They do have a point on that.
Even though athletics success often translates into increased academic giving (look at A&M), faculty sometimes doesn't think that way. Some even hang on to the notion that the University pays all of Mack Brown's salary, which is completely false -- most is donated privately and independently.
Michigan seems to be another traditional power that has to appease the faculty which can compromise athletics success... but then there's Stanford on the flip-side (academic and athletics success).
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