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Empire of the Summer Moon
Posted on 6/29/23 at 7:24 am
Posted on 6/29/23 at 7:24 am
About 9 months ago I moved to a street called Cynthia Ann Parker and I am a registered Chickasaw Indian (full disclosure, I'm 1/32 Chickasaw).
I had no clue the history behind the name of the street I live on. Went to a fish fry at my neighbors house who is a veteran/ history buff the other day with a couple of other neighbors and the book got brought up so while we were sitting there I ordered it.
I'm only a couple of chapters in but holy crap the Comanches were extremely inhumane. And I never knew the Texas Rangers were originally organized to fight the Comanches. I haven't decided if the kids they kidnapped at took in to raise were lucky or unlucky at this point. I'll get there. Can't wait to read the rest over the next week. So far it only serves to remind us how much more evil humans can be than any other animal on the earth. And now we have technology and nukes at our disposal.
I had no clue the history behind the name of the street I live on. Went to a fish fry at my neighbors house who is a veteran/ history buff the other day with a couple of other neighbors and the book got brought up so while we were sitting there I ordered it.
I'm only a couple of chapters in but holy crap the Comanches were extremely inhumane. And I never knew the Texas Rangers were originally organized to fight the Comanches. I haven't decided if the kids they kidnapped at took in to raise were lucky or unlucky at this point. I'll get there. Can't wait to read the rest over the next week. So far it only serves to remind us how much more evil humans can be than any other animal on the earth. And now we have technology and nukes at our disposal.
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Posted on 6/29/23 at 8:47 am to WhiskeyThrottle
It’s an incredible story, enjoy!
Posted on 6/30/23 at 2:38 pm to WhiskeyThrottle
Try “The Son” next.
Great novel.
Great novel.
Posted on 7/1/23 at 9:41 am to WhiskeyThrottle
I loved this book, both from the history lessons and the perspective changing effects. You start out rooting for one side and hating the other, then change sides, then ultimately realize that both the settlers and the Comanches were evil.
I used this book as a travel guide over a few trips out west, especially around Palo Duro Canyon.
As the poster above mentioned, “The Son” is great fiction as you dive deeper.
I used this book as a travel guide over a few trips out west, especially around Palo Duro Canyon.
As the poster above mentioned, “The Son” is great fiction as you dive deeper.
Posted on 7/3/23 at 5:00 pm to LSUfan20005
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You start out rooting for one side and hating the other, then change sides, then ultimately realize that both the settlers and the Comanches were evil.
Very good book and I’m glad the author was clear on the clash of cultures. The way the Comanche conducted war and how they treated prisoners wasn’t exceptional to them - it’s just how Indians had fought wars against each other for centuries. It was simply the norm and is why every major American conflict against 1 larger tribe always had American allies from another tribe. They had been fighting the larger tribe since well before Americans or any other settlers arrived.
This post was edited on 7/27/23 at 5:24 pm
Posted on 7/4/23 at 10:26 am to theGarnetWay
It goes back further than the United States, too. When Hernan Cortes conquered the Aztec Empire, he had the help of tens of thousands of native allies who were pissed off at the Aztec for their decades of inhumane brutality.
Posted on 7/4/23 at 11:48 am to WhiskeyThrottle
Interesting fact, Lawrence Sullivan Ross, Captain of the Rangers who recovered Cynthia Ann Parker, went on to become president of Texas A&M.
Anyway, I picked up the book. I'm going to start it today.
Anyway, I picked up the book. I'm going to start it today.
Posted on 7/5/23 at 1:48 pm to WhiskeyThrottle
Fantastic Book. I love that period in history, and would love to watch an accurately portrayed series. Sadly, it will never happen.
Posted on 7/5/23 at 1:51 pm to WhiskeyThrottle
Really great book. It blew me away how the Comanche became such amazing horsemen.
I just (well, a few months ago now) finished Red Cloud's War. Another great look at how cruel the various tribes were to each other.
I just (well, a few months ago now) finished Red Cloud's War. Another great look at how cruel the various tribes were to each other.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 12:31 pm to LSUfan20005
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I used this book as a travel guide over a few trips out west, especially around Palo Duro Canyon.
It's an absolutely great book to read prior to a journey out West along 40 and up toward Santa Fe. You can just picture the things that unfolded in that landscape.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 12:26 pm to LSUfan20005
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then ultimately realize that both the settlers and the Comanches were evil.
I would say "neither" is a better word than "both". They were all products of their place and time in history. I'm sure there were evil Comanches and evil sellers, but for the most part they were just people living frontier life in their reality as it existed then. Both groups viewed the other groups as existential threats, so when you truly believe what you are doing is in defense of your family and way of life, are you inherently evil?
Posted on 7/11/23 at 6:56 am to WhiskeyThrottle
Great story and book. That entire line of history with Comanche and Rangers is fascinating.
This post was edited on 7/11/23 at 8:29 pm
Posted on 7/21/23 at 11:55 am to zippyputt
Fantastic book. I am a few chapters in and I agree with all that is said above, but another fascinating tidbit that I found was the story of the evolution of the colt revolver.
Posted on 7/22/23 at 8:47 am to WhiskeyThrottle
Comanches were bad asses. A fun excercise is to compare an contrast Comanches and the Mongols. Very similar in a lot of ways.
Posted on 7/27/23 at 12:23 pm to WhiskeyThrottle
Reading this now. Incredible book!! Puts a LOT of shite into perspective. I never realized just how stone-age the native Americans were. I was also surprised to read the Indians were short.
And cruelty. Holy frick. Reminds me of the descriptions of Afghan and African cruelty in one of the Jack Reacher books. People will inflict as much damage as possible on transgressors so their pain and agony could be witnessed.
I’m in the death spiral of the Indian cultures and tribes. The White Borg fricking shite up left and right.
And cruelty. Holy frick. Reminds me of the descriptions of Afghan and African cruelty in one of the Jack Reacher books. People will inflict as much damage as possible on transgressors so their pain and agony could be witnessed.
I’m in the death spiral of the Indian cultures and tribes. The White Borg fricking shite up left and right.
Posted on 8/2/23 at 6:36 pm to TAMU-93
Speaking of A&M, former Ag Scott Zesch wrote a book on the topic as well. A few years before Empire of the Summer Moon. He wrote his because one of his distant relatives had been kidnapped. Both great reads.
Posted on 8/9/23 at 9:29 am to WhiskeyThrottle
Commanches were truly "Lord of the Plains"
Second half wasn't as good as the first half.
If you wanna stay on that genre, blood meridian might be in your wheelhouse.
Second half wasn't as good as the first half.
If you wanna stay on that genre, blood meridian might be in your wheelhouse.
Posted on 8/15/23 at 11:45 am to Northshore Aggie
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I would say "neither" is a better word than "both". They were all products of their place and time in history. I'm sure there were evil Comanches and evil sellers, but for the most part they were just people living frontier life in their reality as it existed then. Both groups viewed the other groups as existential threats, so when you truly believe what you are doing is in defense of your family and way of life, are you inherently evil?
Cutting off the lips and noses of young girls you intend to ransom so that everyone will know they were slaves of the Comanche seems above and beyond the call of duty. I guess it could be argued that they thought horrific acts could slow the white invasion but I'm pretty sure they did the same to other Indians. Not all the tribes deserved their fates but the Comanche earned theirs.
Posted on 8/16/23 at 8:52 am to shinerfan
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Not all the tribes deserved their fates but the Comanche earned theirs.
Wow. What a take.
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