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Posted on 4/2/14 at 9:46 pm to
Posted by Gugich22
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Posted on 4/2/14 at 9:46 pm to
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How giddy will you be Sunday night?






Get that shite out of here
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Posted on 4/2/14 at 9:59 pm to


There's only 4 days left!! What else am I supposed to say??
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Posted by Cosmo
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Posted on 4/2/14 at 10:10 pm to
AEA giddy by sunday
Posted by Gugich22
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Posted on 4/2/14 at 10:30 pm to
Giddy up...
Posted by Aubie Spr96
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Posted on 4/2/14 at 10:48 pm to
Rewatching some episodes tonight randomly on HBO. I noticed that Theon tells Ramsey that it wasn't the Stark children he killed at Winterfell. I don't think that happened that way in the books did it?
Posted by CE Tiger
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Posted on 4/2/14 at 10:51 pm to
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I don't think that happened that way in the books did it?


Ramsey was basically dagmer cleftjaw (in the show) in the books. he burned the farmer boys
Posted by kingbob
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Posted on 4/2/14 at 10:53 pm to
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Rewatching some episodes tonight randomly on HBO. I noticed that Theon tells Ramsey that it wasn't the Stark children he killed at Winterfell. I don't think that happened that way in the books did it?


The books only really hint at all o the cruel things Ramsey did to Theon. They don't really mention too much and instead focus more on what a broken man Theon has become because of that treatment. It's not unthinkable that Ramsey knows, but just doesn't care. Bran and Rikkon are out of the picture anyways.
Posted by ladytiger118
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Posted on 4/2/14 at 10:55 pm to
The Boltons' hold on Winterfell and the North is tenuous at best. With Rickon re-emerging from Skagos, Jon potentially being Robb's heir or the heir to Westeros, Bran being a warg tree and technically the real Heir to Winterfell, and Littlefinger's schemes with Sansa's claim, and the real Arya coming back to Westeros and fake Arya being exposed as Jeyne Poole...the Boltons are screwed.
Posted by CE Tiger
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Posted on 4/2/14 at 10:58 pm to
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They don't really mention too much and instead focus more on what a broken man Theon has become because of that treatment. It's not unthinkable that Ramsey knows


Ramsay was with Theon the whole time in winterfell in the books. Recap for TOH

Ser Rodrik Cassel rode forth to sort the situation out and cornered Ramsay with his servant, Reek. Knowing he was trapped, Ramsay switched clothes with his servant and impersonated him and was taken back to Winterfell as a prisoner. (ACOK 36) When Theon Greyjoy took the castle, Ramsay, still impersonating Reek, asked to be released and entered Theon's service. (ACOK 47) When Bran and Rickon Stark escaped Theon's custody and could not be found, Ramsay came up with a plan to kill two local millers boys, flay their faces, and dress them in the princes' clothes inorder to make the people of Winterfell believe they had been caught and killed. (ACOK 51, ACOK 57) When Theon's sister, Asha refused to give Theon more men to reinforce the castle, Ramsay volunteered to leave the castle with a bag of silver and recruit men to aid Theon's cause, which Theon gave him permission to do. (ACOK 57) He returned to the Dreadfort to gather a small army and then pretended to join his strength to Ser Rodrik outside Winterfell before killing Rodrik, scattering his army, and sacking Winterfell.
This post was edited on 4/2/14 at 10:59 pm
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 4/2/14 at 11:00 pm to
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The Boltons' hold on Winterfell and the North is tenuous at best. With Rickon re-emerging from Skagos, Jon potentially being Robb's heir or the heir to Westeros, Bran being a warg tree and technically the real Heir to Winterfell, and Littlefinger's schemes with Sansa's claim, and the real Arya coming back to Westeros and fake Arya being exposed as Jeyne Poole...the Boltons are screwed.



Personally I don't think we'll see Roose Bolton again. I think Manderly's men will kill him, and Ramsay will escape with the small remainder of his host, and march north to the Wall to destroy Jon and the Night's Watch. It would be a real tragedy if Jon and Ramsay Snow didn't have an encounter. Ramsay is literally Jon's antithesis, and I don't think GRRM put much thought into the character but "do the exact opposite of what Jon would do".
Posted by ladytiger118
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Posted on 4/2/14 at 11:04 pm to
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It would be a real tragedy if Jon and Ramsay Snow didn't have an encounter. Ramsay is literally Jon's antithesis, and I don't think GRRM put much thought into the character but "do the exact opposite of what Jon would do"

Would love to see Jon kick Ramsay's arse and kill him.
Posted by kingbob
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Posted on 4/2/14 at 11:05 pm to
I always forget about the whole Ramsey/Reek thing in the books. In the book, Ramsey was Roose's Reek and became "theon's reek" until Theon let him go to the Dreadfort to bring aid to break the Northmens' seige of Winterfell. Ramsey returned with an army from the Dredfort that massacred the northern host and then proceeded to massacre the Ironborn as well and captured Theon "It's my dick in a box" Greyjoy to bring him back to the Dredfort to assume Ramsey's former roll as "Reek".

Seeing Ramsey as "Reek" in the books makes Roose seem so much more evil.
Posted by ladytiger118
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Posted on 4/2/14 at 11:10 pm to
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I always forget about the whole Ramsey/Reek thing in the books. In the book, Ramsey was Roose's Reek and became "theon's reek" until Theon let him go to the Dreadfort to bring aid to break the Northmens' seige of Winterfell. Ramsey returned with an army from the Dredfort that massacred the northern host and then proceeded to massacre the Ironborn as well and captured Theon "It's my dick in a box" Greyjoy to bring him back to the Dredfort to assume Ramsey's former roll as "Reek".

Seeing Ramsey as "Reek" in the books makes Roose seem so much more evil.

I totally forgot all about that. Looks like I need to do a reread.

Not sure about y'all but I'm starting to mix up things from the show with the books at times...especially with the Ramsay Reek/Theon stuff. I had completely forgotten about Ramsay being Roose's Reek.
This post was edited on 4/2/14 at 11:11 pm
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 4/2/14 at 11:13 pm to
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Would love to see Jon kick Ramsay's arse and kill him.



I think Ramsay is going to arrive at the exact time that he shouldnt'. The Others will be coming over the Wall, and then Ramsay arrives. Jon goes to meet him, reluctantly. There's a duel, and the Wall breaks open. Then Ramsay is taken by them kicking and screaming, oblivious to what was going on. I think that's Ramsay's perfect death.
Posted by CE Tiger
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Posted on 4/2/14 at 11:16 pm to
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Ramsay being Roose's Reek.


Ramsay wasn't Roose's Reek. Ramsay had another Reek but disguised himself as Reek when Rodrick came after him
Posted by ladytiger118
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Posted on 4/2/14 at 11:18 pm to
I'm so confused now...HODOR!!!
Posted by CE Tiger
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Posted on 4/2/14 at 11:21 pm to
from TOH

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Ramsay seized Lady Donella Hornwood or her way back to Hornwood from the harvest feast at Winterfell as the first step in a plan to take her lands. (ACOK 29) Once back at the Dreadfort, he married her, forced her to sign a document naming him as heir to the Hornwood lands, and left her in a dungeon to starve. (ACOK 36) Ser Rodrik Cassel rode forth to sort the situation out and cornered Ramsay with his servant, Reek. Knowing he was trapped, Ramsay switched clothes with his servant and impersonated him and was taken back to Winterfell as a prisoner. (ACOK 36) When Theon Greyjoy took the castle, Ramsay, still impersonating Reek, asked to be released and entered Theon's service. (ACOK 47) When Bran and Rickon Stark escaped Theon's custody and could not be found, Ramsay came up with a plan to kill two local millers boys, flay their faces, and dress them in the princes' clothes inorder to make the people of Winterfell believe they had been caught and killed. (ACOK 51, ACOK 57) When Theon's sister, Asha refused to give Theon more men to reinforce the castle, Ramsay volunteered to leave the castle with a bag of silver and recruit men to aid Theon's cause, which Theon gave him permission to do. (ACOK 57) He returned to the Dreadfort to gather a small army and then pretended to join his strength to Ser Rodrik outside Winterfell before killing Rodrik, scattering his army, and sacking Winterfell.
This post was edited on 4/2/14 at 11:22 pm
Posted by Cosmo
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Posted on 4/2/14 at 11:24 pm to
Who is more likely to return to Westeros from Slavers Bay alive:
Victarion
Selmy
Jorah
?
This post was edited on 4/2/14 at 11:25 pm
Posted by CE Tiger
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Posted on 4/2/14 at 11:27 pm to
id say Selmy
Posted by ladytiger118
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Posted on 4/2/14 at 11:31 pm to
Would like to see Jorah make it back to Westeros and then see his reaction to Jon having Longclaw. But somehow I think he's going to sacrifice himself for Dany.

Barristan will probably make it back but I don't see him surviving TWoW. The 3 of them are going to die before ADoS.
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