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School me on mesh wifi

Posted on 7/12/21 at 9:39 am
Posted by thatoneguy
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2014
590 posts
Posted on 7/12/21 at 9:39 am
I consider myself to be pretty tech-savvy, but I'm embarrassingly out of the loop when it comes to mesh wifi.  

We recently upgraded to a bigger two-story ~2600 sq ft house, and our router barely covers the whole thing.  We have two spots with coax/ethernet ports, but only one works to my knowledge.   Does each mesh router need to be plugged into an ethernet port, or just an outlet?  Why exactly are these better than just using an extender?

We currently have cox panoramic.  Any system you'd recommend that would be compatible with it, or would I need to buy an entirely new router/modem?

TIA!
This post was edited on 7/12/21 at 9:44 am
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61511 posts
Posted on 7/12/21 at 10:32 am to
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Does each mesh router need to be plugged into an ethernet port, or just an outlet?


They work either way. If you can actually hard wire the satellites then the quality/speed should be better, but the networking is designed to work wirelessly.

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Why exactly are these better than just using an extender?


I tried an extender before (5ish years ago so maybe they're better now) and it was as complex as setting up another router. I also noticed whenever I'd switch, the handoffs between main router and extender were not seamless. With mesh networks the handoffs are seamless, and the satellites are pretty much plug and play.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28708 posts
Posted on 7/12/21 at 10:36 am to
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Does each mesh router need to be plugged into an ethernet port, or just an outlet?
The only thing that "mesh" really means is that the units can connect to each other wirelessly. So the main unit will connect via ethernet cable to your modem, then the other units connect to the main and each other wirelessly, needing to only be plugged into power. Some systems include ethernet ports on all the units, so they can of course connect back to the main unit via cable. This kind of bypasses the "mesh" functionality, but it is better.
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Why exactly are these better than just using an extender?
Depends on the extender in question, but typically an extender is just a dumb repeater. It listens to signals, then shouts them back out again. They don't do any routing or processing or anything smart at all. Devices don't connect to extenders, but rather the extender just hears what is said and blasts it out again so that the device can talk to the actual router. They mostly work, but they pretty much cut speeds in half, and introduce noise and latency.

Mesh systems are different in that the "satellite" units connect wirelessly on a different channel. Your device will actually connect directly to the unit, and it differentiates between the signals coming from your device and the ones from the main router unit. It passes signals along the right channels instead of just blasting them out again. Connections are more solid, and speeds and latency are better.
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We currently have cox panoramic. Any system you'd recommend that would be compatible with it, or would I need to buy an entirely new router/modem?
If you stick with the cox panoramic, I think cox will sell (or rent) you what they call "wifi pods" or some shite which I think makes it a real mesh system. I don't have any experience with them, so they may work great or they may be shite. In general though ISP gear is shite.

If you want to use a different mesh system, then yeah the cox stuff goes away and you just need a plain modem to hook to. I would say check your bill and if cox is charging you monthly for their gear, send it back and buy a mesh system. It'll save you a lot in the long run and probably work better.
Posted by Clint Torres
Member since Oct 2011
2662 posts
Posted on 7/12/21 at 10:36 am to
it's life changing technology. You likely only need 2 google wifi pucks for that sq footage.
Posted by thatoneguy
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2014
590 posts
Posted on 7/12/21 at 10:58 am to
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I would say check your bill and if cox is charging you monthly for their gear, send it back and buy a mesh system. It'll save you a lot in the long run and probably work better.


Yeah, we're paying $10/month equipment rental fee. My hangup is that I found eatel actually does fiber in our area, but I'm already under contract with Cox, and plant to switch to eatel after the year is up.

Is there a router that would work with box my current cox setup and future eatel fiber? Sorry for all the questions. ISP concerns are where my tech knowledge is sorely lacking
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28708 posts
Posted on 7/12/21 at 11:23 am to
Yeah almost all of the combo modem/router units can be put in bridge mode, so that you can use a different router with it. I would first see if you can save any money by sending the panoramic unit back and getting a plain modem.
Posted by TBCommish
Houma
Member since Sep 2006
166 posts
Posted on 7/12/21 at 6:38 pm to
I have the Orbi mesh router. One (the primary) has to be plugged into the modem. The others (the satellites) do not have to be and can communicate with the primary wirelessly.

With the Orbi system, you can have the satellites wired directly to the primary if you want. This is called the 'backhaul' feature. Its the feature that caused me to buy Orbi over the other systems. When I bought my Orbi, I think Orbi was the only consumer brand mesh router that supported backhaul.

The advantages are that a wired connection will always generally be faster than wireless, and, your wireless band no longer is shared between network traffic communicating between the primary/satellites and other device traffic.

As for whether a mesh system is better tech than extenders.. absolutely. Its nice having the same network ID across the whole of the house regardless of how many satellites you use.
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