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Rural Internet Setup

Posted on 7/3/23 at 1:37 pm
Posted by baobabtiger
Member since May 2009
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Posted on 7/3/23 at 1:37 pm
I’m about to get Starlink at the house. This will be the first internet that we’ve had in roughly 10 years. What is the best way to get wireless internet to my barn roughly 250 feet away through trees?

Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
18013 posts
Posted on 7/3/23 at 1:46 pm to
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What is the best way to get wireless internet to my barn roughly 250 feet away through trees?


Due to the trees, the best would be do underground conduit with fiber or ethernet cable. You really need good line-of-site for all high speed wireless long distance options.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28709 posts
Posted on 7/3/23 at 2:05 pm to
Do you have power in the barn?
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28709 posts
Posted on 7/3/23 at 2:07 pm to
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Due to the trees, the best would be do underground conduit with fiber or ethernet cable. You really need good line-of-site for all high speed wireless long distance options.
I think the trees would be more of a problem for conduit than wireless. I think a pair of 5AC locos will shoot through only 250' of trees just fine.
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
18013 posts
Posted on 7/3/23 at 2:27 pm to
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I think a pair of 5AC locos will shoot through only 250' of trees just fine.


Uh...no. Not likely. If you want to go that route you'll want to look at the Unifi UBB setup.
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
18013 posts
Posted on 7/3/23 at 2:43 pm to
OP, if you really want to try wireless, you probably want to look at something in the 900Mhz range from Unifi:

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Posted by baobabtiger
Member since May 2009
4724 posts
Posted on 7/3/23 at 4:36 pm to
Yes
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28709 posts
Posted on 7/3/23 at 5:16 pm to
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Uh...no. Not likely. If you want to go that route you'll want to look at the Unifi UBB setup.
Without knowing how dense the trees are I think there is a good chance of getting 100+ mbit with the 5ac locos. Worth a try at $100 for the pair of them IMO. Maybe the nanobeam 2ac at $200/pair would do a bit better. I think the UBB building bridge for $500 would do worse through trees being 60ghz.

Maybe it's just me, but I'd definitely take a shot with $100 worth of wireless gear before trying to dig a trench and run conduit. Again, if the trees are so dense that wireless won't punch through, where are you going to run conduit?
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
18013 posts
Posted on 7/5/23 at 8:12 am to
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I think the UBB building bridge for $500 would do worse through trees being 60ghz.



UBB is dual band (not just 60 Ghz) but it is also much higher gain....regardless 900Mhz should be the first route.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28709 posts
Posted on 7/5/23 at 9:11 am to
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UBB is dual band (not just 60 Ghz)
Yeah 60 and 5ghz, same as 5ac loco. I think 60ghz has no chance.
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it is also much higher gain
I believe the UBB has lower gain at 5ghz than the loco, though maybe I am reading it wrong.
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regardless 900Mhz should be the first route.
Typically 900mhz is recommended as the last resort due to the lower throughput ceiling.
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
18013 posts
Posted on 7/5/23 at 9:25 am to
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Typically 900mhz is recommended as the last resort due to the lower throughput ceiling.


and if getting several hundred megabit throughput is the goal then going hardwire is the only realistic option.
This post was edited on 7/5/23 at 9:25 am
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28709 posts
Posted on 7/5/23 at 9:51 am to
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and if getting several hundred megabit throughput is the goal then going hardwire is the only realistic option.
That depends entirely on how dense the trees are. A photo from OP would help a lot.

I put up a pair of 5ac locos a month ago, 430' through trees and it gets 200+ mbit. There are 10 security cameras on the other side of it and they work perfectly.

But again I ask, if the trees are that dense, how will you bury conduit?
Posted by Byron Bojangles III
Member since Nov 2012
51683 posts
Posted on 7/5/23 at 11:42 am to
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I’m about to get Starlink at the house. This will be the first internet that we’ve had in roughly 10 years. What is the best way to get wireless internet to my barn roughly 250 feet away through trees?


a good mesh network should get you that pretty easily.
Posted by wildcat3
Member since Jul 2011
147 posts
Posted on 7/6/23 at 6:03 pm to
I’m looking to extend my Wi-Fi approximately 250 feet also. I am trying to hook up a security camera and want Wi-Fi access at that distance. Will this work for that? How hard is it to set up?
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28709 posts
Posted on 7/6/23 at 6:38 pm to
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I’m looking to extend my Wi-Fi approximately 250 feet also.
I'm talking about point-to-point wireless bridge radio links, they don't extend your wifi. Think of them as a wireless wire, and on the other end you can put whatever gear you need. Switch, cameras, a wifi access point, whatever.
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I am trying to hook up a security camera and want Wi-Fi access at that distance. Will this work for that?
As long as you have power on the far end to run your equipment it'll work. In addition to the wireless bridge, you will need a switch (PoE probably), into which you will plug your camera and wifi access point.
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How hard is it to set up?
Depends on what you get and whether they are pre-paired. I usually get them unconfigured so I go through all the setup, and if you've never done it it may be a little daunting. If you get a pair that's already linked you should just have to wire them up and point them at each other.

Here is a crude visual aid because I know it can be confusing:

<-->internet<--->modem<--->router<--->switch<--->PoE brick<--->PtP radio<....wireless...>PtP radio<--->PoE brick<--->switch<--->other devices
Posted by wildcat3
Member since Jul 2011
147 posts
Posted on 7/6/23 at 8:55 pm to
Do you think a mesh system would get what I need with one satellite around75 feet and the other about 180 feet further?
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28709 posts
Posted on 7/6/23 at 9:10 pm to
You can try it, but I wouldn't have high hopes for it. I would put them near a window if indoors but preferably outside with line of sight. Wifi wasn't really designed for long range, but a mesh setup might surprise me. Haven't tried one that far.
Posted by wildcat3
Member since Jul 2011
147 posts
Posted on 7/6/23 at 9:43 pm to
Thanks again!! I’ll try your setup if I can get it figured out.
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