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re: 22% Of The World's Power Now Comes From Renewable Sources
Posted on 8/31/14 at 1:49 pm to Korkstand
Posted on 8/31/14 at 1:49 pm to Korkstand
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So, just let them go broke in hard times, so that we can all starve?
wut?
farmers shouldn't have savings? why are they so special?
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Or, how would you suggest we solve the problems of competing in the global market?
what do you mean? if another country can produce quality food and transport it to us for less than we can produce/transport, that's a great thing for us. cheaper food for us, and we don't waste money subsidizing anything
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Posted on 8/31/14 at 1:51 pm to Korkstand
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We have, in large part thanks to subsidies. Would you agree?
the biggest step in energy development and towards american energy independence is shale exploration and fracking
that was developed via private investment and private tech
Posted on 8/31/14 at 1:52 pm to Korkstand
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Subsidies make us competitive or even dominant globally.
wut
subsidies mean our society pays a premium to produce a product so that other countries can buy it more cheaply
so we spend more. they save more.
This post was edited on 8/31/14 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 8/31/14 at 1:55 pm to Korkstand
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If you think conservatives get an unfairly bad rap, you should call out those who reflect negatively on conservatives as a whole.
what do you mean by "conservative"?
you mean like john mccain? establishment GOP? those lot are hated on the poli board by the majority of posters
Posted on 8/31/14 at 2:13 pm to SlowFlowPro
Oh, super, here is SFP to act like he knows everything about everything yet again. Is there any conversation you won't jump into?
quote:Example?
the energy industry is doing just fine trying to do just this.
quote:Subsidies and corruption are two separate topics. Your apparent belief that you can't have subsidies without corruption makes your opinion on the topic worthless. Your thought process is compromised.
no need for public subsidies opening the avenues of corruption to thwart the process
government subsidy leads to corruption, which wastes the very resources we need to devote to this issue
quote:Oh, well I guess it's settled, then.
for the time being, finding out the best way to use the petro we have on earth is the best step to reaching american independence and keep human development going.
Posted on 8/31/14 at 2:19 pm to SlowFlowPro
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wut?
farmers shouldn't have savings? why are they so special?
What are savings going to do when the price of your product permanently drops below the cost to produce it? quote:Really? You want to outsource all of our food? You want to let them put our farmers out of business, and then for us to be dependent on foreign countries for our sustenance? Your ideals are severely interfering with your logic.
what do you mean? if another country can produce quality food and transport it to us for less than we can produce/transport, that's a great thing for us.
quote:Yeah, remaining food independent is such a waste of money.
cheaper food for us, and we don't waste money subsidizing anything
Posted on 8/31/14 at 2:24 pm to SlowFlowPro
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wut
subsidies mean our society pays a premium to produce a product so that other countries can buy it more cheaply
so we spend more. they save more.
Such a simplistic view. The lack of logic is astounding.
Posted on 8/31/14 at 2:30 pm to Korkstand
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Even 47% of those who self identify with the mythical "tea party" (those fringe folks, as they are known to you folks) support subsidies for alternative energy.
Where are they, and why don't they post here?
You're small world view is staggering. So, you don't see a lot who post here and have decided it represents the whole nation?
Posted on 8/31/14 at 2:32 pm to Korkstand
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So, just let them go broke in hard times, so that we can all starve?
Huh?
You do realize that not all farmers are subsidized?
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In practice, the program keeps food prices high, costing consumers billions, while funneling most of its aid to giant agribusinesses and wealthy farmers. About 75 percent of total subsidies go to the biggest 10 percent of farming companies, including Riceland Foods Inc., Pilgrims Pride Corp., and Archer Daniels Midland. Among the "farmers" who get federal subsidies are Bruce Springsteen (who leases land to an organic farmer), Jon Bon Jovi (who owns bee colonies), former President Jimmy Carter, and billionaire media mogul Ted Turner. "The typical farmer has literally millions of dollars of wealth," said Dan Sumner, an agricultural economist at the University of California, Davis.
LINK
Never took you for a big corporate business type who supported fat cat subsidies.
Posted on 8/31/14 at 3:21 pm to Korkstand
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Subsidies and corruption are two separate topics.
they're 2 sides of the same coin. add government and you get corruption. remove government and it's not possible
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Your apparent belief that you can't have subsidies without corruption makes your opinion on the topic worthless.
why? quote:
Your thought process is compromised.
...how?
without government in whatever area you are discussing, corruption is not possible. when you add government, it's possible
that's cold, hard facts. it's a simple equation, if you desire to have it described that way
how is the objective truth a compromised mental state?
Posted on 8/31/14 at 3:24 pm to Korkstand
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What are savings going to do when the price of your product permanently drops below the cost to produce it?
then you either need to diversify or move to another industry. why is farming sacred? you pushing to preserve the audio cassette and VCR industries? what are they going to do when their demand dries up?
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Really? You want to outsource all of our food? You want to let them put our farmers out of business, and then for us to be dependent on foreign countries for our sustenance?
what boogeyman are you promoting, here?
we rely on foreign production for all sorts of life-sustaining products and tech. we supply much of this to the world. that's how trade works
why are you so scared of trade?
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Your ideals are severely interfering with your logic.
or i'm just not fear mongering like you are attempting
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remaining food independent is such a waste of money.
i doubt we ever get 100% of our products from abroad. you'd rather prop up huge domestic agro corps that receive these subsidies?
This post was edited on 8/31/14 at 3:25 pm
Posted on 8/31/14 at 3:26 pm to Korkstand
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Such a simplistic view. The lack of logic is astounding.
what logic is lacking? what i stated is an objective truth
i LOVE buying products subsidized by foreign governments. i spend less, and its due to subsidies nor born by my market/country
i mean 1+1=2 is "simplistic", bu it's a foundational principle. your ad hom attack has no merit
Posted on 8/31/14 at 3:48 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:since you're a lawyer, I'm surprised you can't see where the fallacy is.quote:
Your apparent belief that you can't have subsidies without corruption makes your opinion on the topic worthless.
why?
quote:yea businesses never cross an ethical line when government isn't present. With government there, its less possible
without government in whatever area you are discussing, corruption is not possible. when you add government, it's possible
Posted on 8/31/14 at 4:16 pm to jeff5891
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yea businesses never cross an ethical line when government isn't present.
that's not "corruption" as is being discussed
no corporations have armies or the power to jail people. the government does. this power leads to corruption.
without that power, corruption is not possible. a corporation can't force you to buy its product(s)
government can force you to do lots of things because it can legally kill you for not following orders
This post was edited on 8/31/14 at 4:17 pm
Posted on 8/31/14 at 6:18 pm to jeff5891
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With government there, its less possible
What?
Most large corruption scandals in the past centuries have involved government.
Posted on 8/31/14 at 7:31 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Not all receive direct payments, but pretty much all have been subsidized in one way or another, through price supports or supply control or whatever.
You do realize that not all farmers are subsidized?
quote:You know I'm not (and who is besides the fat cats?), so why try to pull this?
Never took you for a big corporate business type who supported fat cat subsidies.
The farm bill has a lot of bullshite in it, what's your point? My point is that free markets don't always do what's necessary for an economy to remain strong. Intervention is sometimes necessary.
Posted on 8/31/14 at 7:34 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Corruption not possible without government? What dream world do you live in?
they're 2 sides of the same coin. add government and you get corruption. remove government and it's not possible
quote:Because you refuse to even entertain the idea that government involvement in something can be a good thing. What point is a discussion with someone that close-minded?quote:
Your apparent belief that you can't have subsidies without corruption makes your opinion on the topic worthless.
quote:
without government in whatever area you are discussing, corruption is not possible. when you add government, it's possible
that's cold, hard facts. it's a simple equation, if you desire to have it described that way
how is the objective truth a compromised mental state?
If you think this series of statements represents objective truth, then your mental state is in worse shape than I thought.Posted on 8/31/14 at 7:37 pm to SlowFlowPro
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then you either need to diversify or move to another industry. why is farming sacred? you pushing to preserve the audio cassette and VCR industries? what are they going to do when their demand dries up?
WOW It's motherfricking FOOD, man. Unlike cassette tapes, the demand isn't going to dry up. The only concern is what happens to costs.
quote:I'm not scared of trade, I'm scared of reliance.
what boogeyman are you promoting, here?
we rely on foreign production for all sorts of life-sustaining products and tech. we supply much of this to the world. that's how trade works
why are you so scared of trade?
Posted on 8/31/14 at 9:26 pm to Korkstand
It's like you've never seen a supply and demand curve. Astonishing.
Posted on 8/31/14 at 9:29 pm to Korkstand
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Example?
I think most have cut back dramatically because it just wasn't showing much progress but about 8 or so years ago each of the majors spent billions on researching various renewables.
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