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re: Where would you rank the MLS amongst other leagues around the World?
Posted on 7/18/11 at 12:33 am to PokerPlayingTiger
Posted on 7/18/11 at 12:33 am to PokerPlayingTiger
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PokerPlayingTiger
Curious how you would rank the leagues if you watch a lot of Brazilian (other South American leagues) matches?
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Posted on 7/18/11 at 1:19 am to PokerPlayingTiger
Obviously Brazil plays at the highest level in the world as evidenced by their domination in international competition. My knock on Brazilian Serie A is that the best players in Brazil, don't play in Brazil. Of the 23 active players on their national team, only 7 play their league ball in Serie A, and 2 of those are reserve GK. And not only do they lose the top players to other premier leagues, they don't sign world class foreign players to replace them. Just looking at the 2 teams with the most league titles (Santos and Palmeiras) and the team that won it last year (Fluminense) they have a combined 4 international players on their rosters. However, it definitely speaks to the sheer level of talent the country produces that the league loses it's best players, doesn't replace them with other top talent and can still be ranked in the top 10 leagues in the world.
Posted on 7/18/11 at 7:00 am to xavierTIGER
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Brazil plays at the highest level in the world as evidenced by their domination in international competition
I don't agree with this anymore.
Posted on 7/18/11 at 7:07 am to Meursault
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I don't agree with this anymore.
They go 40-50 deep where even Spain or Germany only go 20-25 deep. They have a top three player at five or six different positions.
The problem is that their coaching and team chemistry are lacking. Also, the pressure from their fans has become more of a burden than an asset.
Posted on 7/18/11 at 7:34 am to NOTORlOUSD
I'd put the MLS around the 15th best league in the world. mind I think the Czech league is around 12th or 13th, The DP rule and the financial set-up of the league is not conducive to attracting the top world talent. If you are a rising star football player say around 16-17 years of age and can make it to the starting 11 of a junior team in Europe or S.A. you would have to be mentally retarded to not consider leaving the United States and spending all but your twilight years plying your trade in a top 10 league.
Nah though I love the MLS it is still for the time being a Developing league or a place where you go to finish out your career.
Nah though I love the MLS it is still for the time being a Developing league or a place where you go to finish out your career.
Posted on 7/18/11 at 7:41 am to NOTORlOUSD
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They have a top three player at five or six different positions.
i dunno about this
brazil seems to be currently in a generation that falls in a talent gap
some of their former young superstars didn't pan out (robinho and a slew of others), their strikers are young and not elite, and their 2 former superstars have had their careers nose dive (kaka, dinho)
Posted on 7/18/11 at 7:45 am to SlowFlowPro
If they (Brazil) don't win the World Cup at home I'll agree with you SFP but I figure that's as likely as Canada losing in Hockey at the Olympics in Vancity...
Posted on 7/18/11 at 7:48 am to LSUCanFAN
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If they (Brazil) don't win the World Cup at home
we shall see
pato and neymar may take that step
and if they don't,
Posted on 7/18/11 at 7:51 am to SlowFlowPro
I laughed Guinness through my nose at that kid yesterday 
Posted on 7/18/11 at 7:52 am to LSUCanFAN
I am guessing he's from NOLA
Posted on 7/18/11 at 8:01 am to SlowFlowPro
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brazil seems to be currently in a generation that falls in a talent gap
It seems as much a crisis of conscience as anything else. The game has undergone a dramatic shift, and Brazil's (along with many other teams) inability to cope is a signal to that. And Brazil's technical advantage isn't as great as it once was.
But Brazil has a high likelihood of producing a once in a lifetime player. Something like a DM/playmaker hybrid who is a good enough athlete to hold the midfield by himself and also technical enough to spray passes around from a deep-lying position. That might give them a tactical advantage if such a player were produced.
Posted on 7/18/11 at 8:13 am to crazy4lsu
Brazil's youth development is off the charts,
If sports are the way out of poverty and the ghetto for poor kids in America, Football is the ticket out of the Favellas in Brazil.
If sports are the way out of poverty and the ghetto for poor kids in America, Football is the ticket out of the Favellas in Brazil.
Posted on 7/18/11 at 8:16 am to LSUCanFAN
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They have a top three player at five or six different positions.
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I dunno about this.
CAM - Kaka
CB - Lucio
RB - Maicon, Alves
GK - Julio Cesar
Admittedly, all of those players have dropped in the last two years, along with Fabiano and Melo.
Posted on 7/18/11 at 8:17 am to NOTORlOUSD
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If they (Brazil) don't win the World Cup at home I'll agree with you SFP but I figure that's as likely as Canada losing in Hockey at the Olympics in Vancity...
...or Germany losing a WWC knockout game in Wolfsburg.
Posted on 7/18/11 at 8:19 am to NOTORlOUSD
quote:Seriously ND?
or Germany losing a WWC knockout game in Wolfsburg
Not comparable IMHO Posted on 7/18/11 at 8:30 am to crazy4lsu
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But Brazil has a high likelihood of producing a once in a lifetime player.
oh i think they have the highest chance of doing this of any country
i'm just saying right now they don't seem to have any guys who can be on that level
brazil's talent gap means that they're top 4 now and not #1
Posted on 7/18/11 at 8:32 am to NOTORlOUSD
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CB - Lucio
silva > lucio
this ain't 2008 anymore
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CAM - Kaka
injuries have robbed his speed. he's not close to the same player that he was in milan
and this makes me sad, b/c he was by far my favorite player
Posted on 7/18/11 at 2:43 pm to wm72
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Curious how you would rank the leagues if you watch a lot of Brazilian (other South American leagues) matches?
I would probably agree with the ranking link someone posted (it might have even been you, wm72). I would place it about 3rd or 4th in the world. I think that England and Spain are the runaway #1 and #2. I would say that 3-5 is a toss up right now between Italy, Brazil, and Germany.
It is hard to differentiate leagues because there are many variables to examine. Of course overall quality has to be #1 and I think all 5 of the above have a high quality. One thing that bothers me about the Euro leagues is that each one of those leagues have very few teams with legitimate shots at the titles. Spain will be won by Real or Barca 9 out of 10 times. England has 4 legitimate contenders but the overall quality is the highest. Italy has probably the same # of contenders but the level has dipped dramatically over the past 5 years or so. Italy's losses have been basically equivalent to England's gains. Brazil has legitimately 8 or so teams with shots at the title. The Euros likely have better parity at the bottom, i.e. a relegated team might beat the champ. But Brazil has better parity at the top half of the standings, i.e. 7th place team has realistic chance each year of winning title. In my opinion it speaks more of a league to have more title contenders which means more teams playing at the highest level. Of course this is considering that these leagues play at high levels to start the discussion.
Posted on 7/18/11 at 2:48 pm to Meursault
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Brazil plays at the highest level in the world as evidenced by their domination in international competition
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I don't agree with this anymore.
I don't know how in the world you could not agree with this. Even when Brazil loses they tend to do so when dominating games. Rarely have I seen Brazil outplayed. I will say that France in the 1998 Final completely and thoroughly outplayed Brazil. Maybe Holland in the 2nd half of the quarters in South Africa but I would say they slightly at best outplayed Brazil. However, the flip side of the coin is that Brazil when they are on can outplay anyone, anywhere, under any condition.
It is easy to hate on the top team and I totally understand pulling for underdogs, but to deny their greatness is to act like an ostrich.
Posted on 7/18/11 at 2:51 pm to SlowFlowPro
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oh i think they have the highest chance of doing this of any country
Largest population of any strong soccer country, so how could anyone disagree with this at the current time?
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brazil's talent gap means that they're top 4 now and not #1
Definitely, but I think they were unlucky by what seemed like a lot of simultaneous declines by many of their players.
I do think they win in 2014 even though Spain will be the top-ranked team going in.
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