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What are the pros and cons of calling a guy up too early?
Posted on 7/27/15 at 6:37 pm
Posted on 7/27/15 at 6:37 pm
In regards to the national team...learn me up.
Why Alvarado over Vickers or Miazga or EPB, why Corona over Hyndman and Zelalem?
I'm not questioning the choices..I'm asking. To me it seems better competition breeds a better player. Are the USMNT members mentioned above better than their younger counterparts? If so then I agree with the decision. If not then explain to me why. There's precedent for young guys playing in major tournaments. Walcott for England, Green in Brazil, etc. Why the willingness in some cases and hesitation in others?
TIA
Why Alvarado over Vickers or Miazga or EPB, why Corona over Hyndman and Zelalem?
I'm not questioning the choices..I'm asking. To me it seems better competition breeds a better player. Are the USMNT members mentioned above better than their younger counterparts? If so then I agree with the decision. If not then explain to me why. There's precedent for young guys playing in major tournaments. Walcott for England, Green in Brazil, etc. Why the willingness in some cases and hesitation in others?
TIA
This post was edited on 7/27/15 at 6:48 pm
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Posted on 7/27/15 at 6:43 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
Pros:
Mentoring by the best players in their country
A chance to impress the coach and get more attention for later camps
Learning how to be a model professional
Seeing how high the bar has been set and having something to strive for
Cons:
Overhyping, but that's about it.
Mentoring by the best players in their country
A chance to impress the coach and get more attention for later camps
Learning how to be a model professional
Seeing how high the bar has been set and having something to strive for
Cons:
Overhyping, but that's about it.
Posted on 7/27/15 at 6:47 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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Why Alvarado over Vicker or Miazga or EPB, why Corona over Hyndman and Zelalem?
Hell even Yedlin didn't get enough PT during the Gold Cup imo.
I get leaving a guy like Zelalem out because he really hasn't faced much physicality at all in his career yet, but hasn't Hyndman gotten some serious run in the Championship?
Posted on 7/27/15 at 7:03 pm to RTR America
quote:If you consider 9 games a serious run, then yes.
but hasn't Hyndman gotten some serious run in the Championship?
Posted on 7/27/15 at 7:07 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
I would hate to kill a guy's confidence by putting him in at a level he's not ready for. I have no problem slow playing some of these guys. Let them play in a friendly here and there, but hold off on competitive matches until they are physically and mentally ready.
Posted on 7/27/15 at 7:08 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
quote:Many believe we promised to take Green to Brazil in order to get him to switch.
Green in Brazil
Posted on 7/27/15 at 7:15 pm to cwil177
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Cons:
Overhyping, but that's about it.
Eh.
Biggest con is "Eddie Johnson disease." Clint and Eddie came into the full national team at roughly the same time. Eddie was PHENOMENAL from the jump. Clint kept working, Eddie didn't. Eddie didn't start progressing until he finally matured and started working (last WC cycle.)
Another con - having the player "exposed" against grown-ups may hamper a potential transfer to a bigger club. That weakness may be be covered up by playing with your age group.
Folks need to realize that most players coming in won't be Landon Donovan or Michael Bradley.
Posted on 7/27/15 at 7:24 pm to Sheep
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Biggest con is "Eddie Johnson disease."
I agree with this fully. I think one of the problems Julian is going to have is that he doesn't seem to understand why he's being sent out on another loan. He believes he's ready to compete for playing time at Bayern, which is great in terms of confidence, but he also should be hungry for first team minutes anywhere where there's competition.
I think we hype them up to a point to where they forget that they're still on the way up.
Posted on 7/27/15 at 7:26 pm to Sheep
GAM...a talent that never fully materialized 
Posted on 7/27/15 at 10:54 pm to pvilleguru
I am quite confused how he made a World Cup roster and then disappeared
Posted on 7/27/15 at 11:02 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
I think one con that has kinda been touched on but not said explicitly has to do with club situations. Our best young talents need to be securing their places with their clubs. Preseason is their chance to shine either to a)convince a manager they deserve to be promoted to the first team or b)show off to other clubs that they could be valuable on a loan deal. I know Wood and others were not called in to sort out their club situations. Since they spend the majority of their time with their clubs and do most of their development there, it is most important they are in the best possible situation there.
So, basically, the con is that it can derail their most important developmental tool. Summer tournaments which fall during their club pre-season are obviously the most sensitive time period since it's also when they can make moves.
So, basically, the con is that it can derail their most important developmental tool. Summer tournaments which fall during their club pre-season are obviously the most sensitive time period since it's also when they can make moves.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 6:31 am to DoreonthePlains
In Wood's case, he really isn't that good.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 7:51 am to Riseupfromtherubble
quote:
Why Alvarado over Vickers or Miazga or EPB, why Corona over Hyndman and Zelalem?
Alvarado starts because he starts for Club America. Vickers, Miazga or EPB hardly play a top level competitive match.
quote:
Green
As much as I hate to say it, Green was 100% offered a spot on the WC team if he committed to the U.S. At least that's what I think. He was also the only other person, other than Clint who wasn't scared to go 1 on 1 near the box with some skill, something we desperately need.
This post was edited on 7/28/15 at 7:52 am
Posted on 7/28/15 at 8:19 am to McCaigBro69
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Alvarado starts because he starts for Club America. Vickers, Miazga or EPB hardly play a top level competitive match.
It's just hard for me to wrap my head around this logic. I don't see how that's much different than an NFL GM saying, "I think I'll draft Andrew Hatch instead of Joe Flacco"
Posted on 7/28/15 at 8:23 am to Riseupfromtherubble
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It's just hard for me to wrap my head around this logic. I don't see how that's much different than an NFL GM saying, "I think I'll draft Andrew Hatch instead of Joe Flacco"
Finding a franchise NFL quarterback is an absolute crap shoot. I wouldn't compare that to young national team soccer players. I understand the comparison, but you're comparing kids in college, not kids who are already pro. Club America is a big time club, likely one of the biggest in this hemisphere and a 21-year-old is a starter. That's big time. Being on a youth team in the BPL is an impressive feat in itself, but nowhere near as impressive as what Alvarado has accomplished at the club level.
Granted, he's sucked for us.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 8:24 am to Riseupfromtherubble
Alvarado starts and does well for the best team in CONCACAF, EPB struggles to find playing time for SKC, and CCV has yet to play a match for Tottenham. Right now, you have to go with Alvarado.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 8:31 am to pvilleguru
Who do you think is a better player right now, Alvarado or CCV? How close do you think it is?
If Alvarado were at Tottenham and CCV at Club America, would the roles be reversed?
If Alvarado were at Tottenham and CCV at Club America, would the roles be reversed?
Posted on 7/28/15 at 8:36 am to Riseupfromtherubble
Right now, probably Alvarado. CCV probably wouldn't be starting at Club America either. He's still just 17. Have some patience and let him develop. Let him play a game against players that are older than 20 before making him a starter for the National team.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 8:39 am to pvilleguru
quote:
In Wood's case, he really isn't that good.
I don't understand Jurgy calling someone up who he doesn't think is good enough to play in the Bundesliga.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 8:43 am to TN Bhoy
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I don't understand Jurgy calling someone up who he doesn't think is good enough to play in the Bundesliga
I think he wanted a team mostly with players who were already in Europe and we just don't have many options for forwards right now.
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