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re: MLS is Back Tournament
Posted on 6/10/20 at 6:26 pm to cwil177
Posted on 6/10/20 at 6:26 pm to cwil177
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Your team sucking and having terrible gate revenue isn’t a negative consequence?
Not when your get rewarded with a high draft pick and guaranteed revenue that is shared from the league that comes from other teams and franchise fees.
No real huge losses like when getting relegated
This post was edited on 6/10/20 at 6:29 pm
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Posted on 6/10/20 at 6:27 pm to cwil177
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If MLS had a European model of sports like the NASL did it 100% would have gone under in the early 2000s.
This talking point is so played out bc it’s false
Comparing the NASL and the 70s owners to the MLS caliber owners is dumb
Especially once Hunt stoped owning most the league
Posted on 6/10/20 at 6:32 pm to pvilleguru
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Hell, it still almost went under.
It will be interesting once the franchise fees stop flowing in for the teams that don’t pull their weight
Especially bc the tv deal doesn’t generate much money
Posted on 6/10/20 at 6:55 pm to pvilleguru
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Hell, it still almost went under.
MLS almost went under?
Posted on 6/10/20 at 7:28 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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Not when your get rewarded with a high draft pick and guaranteed revenue that is shared from the league that comes from other teams and franchise fees.
I thought your opinion was that college soccer was garbage. Are you saying a high draft pick actually provides a tangible benefit? Also these teams make a lot of money from their gate revenue. That’s a massive loss if your team sucks.
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No real huge losses like when getting relegated
Agreed. I think pro rel eventually happens here but I think it takes another twenty years.
Posted on 6/10/20 at 7:37 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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This talking point is so played out bc it’s false
How is it false? Teams with deeper pockets could outspend the others. It was the downfall of NASL and I don’t see how it couldn’t plausibly happen again.
The US never had the luxury of a grassroots development of the game prior to the influx of money into the sport. Early European/South American leagues without paid professionals could easily institute pro rel in a brand new league because there was no money involved. Now that professional sports teams are worth hundreds of millions of dollars, how do you get investors to buy into a franchise in a young league if there’s the chance your investment immediately drops down a tier and completely tanks its value?
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MLS almost went under?
Absolutely. They were down to 8 teams at one point after several folded. Landon Donovan and Brian McBride mentioned on a recent episode of an Everton podcast that many insiders think the league might have gone under had we not had the showing we did in 2002, which really revitalized interest in the sport.
Posted on 6/10/20 at 7:50 pm to cwil177
I think Lamar Hunt owned 3 teams from 2003-2006.
AEG has owned 8 different teams.
AEG has owned 8 different teams.
This post was edited on 6/10/20 at 7:56 pm
Posted on 6/10/20 at 8:02 pm to I Bleed Garnet
Damn wish I stayed in O'lando
Posted on 6/10/20 at 8:07 pm to cwil177
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I thought your opinion was that college soccer was garbage. Are you saying a high draft pick actually provides a tangible benefit?
It is garbage but sometimes a Jack Harrison is there, dude was a top player as a rookie
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Also these teams make a lot of money from their gate revenue. That’s a massive loss if your team sucks.
Correct but those loses are offset by the revenue that is shared. Most MLS teams don’t make a profit. That revenue trickled down helps get the back to breaking even
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Agreed. I think pro rel eventually happens here but I think it takes another twenty years.
It will make the league much more competitive bc every match counts
Posted on 6/10/20 at 8:08 pm to cwil177
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How is it false? Teams with deeper pockets could outspend the others. It was the downfall of NASL and I don’t see how it couldn’t plausibly happen again.
Better quality owners now than 50 years ago
Much better ways to market the game and additional revenue streams
The issue is the league is improving in basically one area of the field and that’s attacking players
It makes sense invest your DPs in exciting guys who can score goals and get people to watch
Bad part is no real money is being invested in defenders. Defending in the league has been pretty stagnant for years.
This post was edited on 6/10/20 at 8:12 pm
Posted on 6/10/20 at 9:30 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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It is garbage but sometimes a Jack Harrison is there, dude was a top player as a rookie
Point taken but like you said it’s relatively rare. Also Jack went to an expansion team anyway. I don’t think a college prospect is a great reward for sucking arse. Most first rounders are struggling to make the bench at this point.
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It will make the league much more competitive bc every match counts
I don’t doubt it. But I’m curious what your proposition is for making it viable ASAP.
Posted on 6/10/20 at 9:33 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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Bad part is no real money is being invested in defenders. Defending in the league has been pretty stagnant for years.
Defenders don’t put butts in seats
Chicharito, Vela, etc do.
Ideally MLS will become a springboard league like the Dutch league for players to make the jump to a bigger league. Shitty defending hasn’t really hurt the Eredivisie. Plus more goals is fun for spectators. Basically I don’t really disagree with the offense first mentality for a second tier league.
Posted on 6/10/20 at 10:49 pm to cwil177
It gives the illusion the league is crazy improving when it isn’t
It’s very entertaining
But seeing these dudes and even old attackers torch low level defending isn’t helping the image of the league to the masses of fans who are not that niche MLS fan base but still knows and follows other leagues.
If owners had the freedom to operate independently and spend what they see fit we would be able to see those quality players in the defense part of the game.
It’s very entertaining
But seeing these dudes and even old attackers torch low level defending isn’t helping the image of the league to the masses of fans who are not that niche MLS fan base but still knows and follows other leagues.
If owners had the freedom to operate independently and spend what they see fit we would be able to see those quality players in the defense part of the game.
This post was edited on 6/10/20 at 10:52 pm
Posted on 6/11/20 at 12:24 am to StraightCashHomey21
I think you’re applying of projecting your knowledge of the game on the casual fan. Most casual fans don’t know the game as well as you do. People want to see goals. John smith is probably not putting on an LAFC game, watching them tear it up, and then turning it off at 3-1 complaining that the defending is shite.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 7:52 am to cwil177
Problem is MLS doesn’t really draw in the casual fan
Posted on 6/11/20 at 9:00 am to StraightCashHomey21
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Problem is MLS doesn’t really draw in the casual fan
Zlaten interviews during this tournament while it's the only sport being played in the US would be gold.
He would have been a great personality for the league to have if he was younger and stuck around longer. That's the kind of players they need to appeal to casual fans in the US.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 9:08 am to lionward2014
100% agree
American culture loves people being blunt
and he is as real as it gets
American culture loves people being blunt
and he is as real as it gets
Posted on 6/11/20 at 3:05 pm to lionward2014
Posted on 6/11/20 at 3:48 pm to pvilleguru
OCSC better finish top 3 in Group A. We play Ft. Lauderdale, NYCFC, and Nashville. They set us up with the two expansions and NYCFC. Should be 7 points minimum.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 5:49 pm to I Bleed Garnet
Man my arse couldve been working on ESPN
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