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Posted on 1/19/15 at 1:06 pm to wm72
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Giovinco wasn't going to get anywhere near this type deal in Europe and he has seemed to prefer to not to play for a Serie A side other than Juve. However, I'm still surprise the deal actually went through.
Yea no one in Europe was going to pay him even half of this. He wont be getting anymore national team call ups.
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Toronto has a very large Italian American population which I imagine comprises a notable percentage of their (prospective) fan base so I suppose that may have been motivation to "overpay" to attract him.
Most the Italians players go to the Impact
Posted on 1/19/15 at 1:24 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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He wont be getting anymore national team call ups
I love speculation.
Do you have a reason for thinking this or are you just shitting on MLS again? If he plays well enough I don't see any reason why they wouldn't call him up. Balotelli gets call ups for Christ's sake and it's not like he's been tearing it up in any league. Keane gets regular call ups with Ireland, and Beckham still got time with England. Playing for TFC didn't stop Julio Cesar from being Brazil's starter. Cubo Torres didn't get a sniff with the mex team til he started beasting it in MLS.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 1:29 pm to cwil177
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I love speculation.
Do you have a reason for thinking this or are you just shitting on MLS again? If he plays well enough I don't see any reason why they wouldn't call him up. Balotelli gets call ups for Christ's sake and it's not like he's been tearing it up in any league. Keane gets regular call ups with Ireland, and Beckham still got time with England. Playing for TFC didn't stop Julio Cesar from being Brazil's starter. Cubo Torres didn't get a sniff with the mex team til he started beasting it in MLS.
Italy won't be calling him up unless he is on a tear.
Keane of course he still gets called up. Most their national team plays their club ball around the same level.
Beckham left MLS on loan to try and fight for a national team spot. B.c they wanted him at a higher level. Its why Defoe was left out.
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Playing for TFC didn't stop Julio Cesar from being Brazil's starter
He played like 8 games on a loan
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Cubo Torres didn't get a sniff with the mex team til he started beasting it in MLS.
Ill give you that one but Italy>>>>Mexico
Posted on 1/19/15 at 1:35 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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Keane of course he still gets called up. Most their national team plays their club ball around the same level.
Uh, no. Keane starts ahead of strikers Jonathan Walters, Shane Long, and Kevin Doyle--all English Premier League starters. He also starts ahead of Celtic striker Anthony Stokes. Keane plays because they know his quality and see that he's still doing well in MLS.
With that said, Giovinco is being paid WAY too much. But, this could be very good for the league. Another guy that isnt yet 30, in his prime, leaving a big team in Europe to come to MLS and he's an Italian national teamer? It gives us gravitas we've always lacked. Only part that sucks is the pricetag.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 1:41 pm to AmericanHoop
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Uh, no. Keane starts ahead of strikers Jonathan Walters, Shane Long, and Kevin Doyle--all English Premier League starters. He also starts ahead of Celtic striker Anthony Stokes. Keane plays because they know his quality and see that he's still doing well in MLS.
He's also the captain and has always been better than those guys. So of course he will be called up Point still stands most the Irish national team plays at a similar level. Playing ahead of a Celtic striker shouldn't be hard bc the MLS is a better league.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 3:35 pm to StraightCashHomey21
So this deal might make him the 2nd highest paid Italian soccer player in the world behind De Rossi
Posted on 1/19/15 at 3:38 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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Ill give you that one but Italy>>>>Mexico
To be fair, I think proximity plays a part. These European national team coaches won't be able to see many of the games in MLS. Cubo doesn't have that issue, and he'll get more exposure in Houston.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 3:39 pm to AmericanHoop
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He also starts ahead of Celtic striker Anthony Stokes
That's because Stokes is horrible, a headcase, and has a strained relationship with the FA. He doesn't even play as a striker at Celtic anymore.
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Kevin Doyle--all English Premier League starters
Wolves is in the EPL?
And Long should always start ahead of Keano now. It's Keano's goalscoring record and leadership qualities in the shirt that have kept him getting called up.
This post was edited on 1/19/15 at 3:43 pm
Posted on 1/19/15 at 3:44 pm to oauron
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To be fair, I think proximity plays a part. These European national team coaches won't be able to see many of the games in MLS. Cubo doesn't have that issue, and he'll get more exposure in Houston.
MLS coverage over here is non-existent
Some games on in England but usual on tape delay but I doubt its on tv in Italy. It wasn't in Germany.
If the MLS is ever going to be a top 5 league or the best in the world. That has to change but I just don't see it happening matching world wide tv contracts like the EPL and other big Euro leagues.
This post was edited on 1/19/15 at 3:45 pm
Posted on 1/19/15 at 3:48 pm to StraightCashHomey21
"Similar level" = EPL? Ok. Not sure what your point is then? That Keane plays "at a similar level" as other EPL starters?
Most of SPL is not as good as MLS. Celtic, however, is better than most of MLS
Most of SPL is not as good as MLS. Celtic, however, is better than most of MLS
Posted on 1/19/15 at 3:52 pm to AmericanHoop
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"Similar level" = EPL? Ok. Not sure what your point is then? That Keane plays "at a similar level" as other EPL starters?
Most of SPL is not as good as MLS. Celtic, however, is better than most of MLS
SPL and some of the Championship is around the MLS level.
Celtic is awful and has gotten worse the last 3 years. Getting rolled by a Polish team in the champions league proved that.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 4:41 pm to StraightCashHomey21
Posted on 1/19/15 at 6:19 pm to winner
Woah, if that's the case then this is a coup for Toronto. That's only 2.5 million dollars a season. That can't be right...
Posted on 1/19/15 at 7:15 pm to hendersonshands
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Do Italians even like the guy
In general, fans do like him.
You hear a lot lament that it's been too bad he's not moved to a smaller side since he's fun of watch -- like say Miccoli was at Palermo -- but hardly any want him getting NT call ups.
Even the criticism there is not really heated just that there are some better options.
About how moving to Toronto affects his NT chances: Of course, he'd have a better chance of getting Europe qualifying call ups here and there if he'd gone to a mid-table Serie A side and enjoyed a crazy tear but I don't think he's really figuring any larger in Conte's NT plans than he was in Conte's Juve plans no matter what.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 8:23 pm to TN Bhoy
"That's because Stokes is horrible, a headcase, and has a strained relationship with the FA. He doesn't even play as a striker at Celtic anymore."
He had a strained relationship with Trappatoni, not the FAI. He's been called up consistently since.
"Wolves is in the EPL?"
No. Doyle hasn't been at Wolves lately. He's been at Crystal Palace.
He had a strained relationship with Trappatoni, not the FAI. He's been called up consistently since.
"Wolves is in the EPL?"
No. Doyle hasn't been at Wolves lately. He's been at Crystal Palace.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 8:24 pm to StraightCashHomey21
Celtic isnt the level it was 3 years ago, fully agreed. They were beating Barcelona and playing with the best 3 years ago. But, Celtic routinely gets to the Group Stages and last 16 of CL. I'd say that puts them ahead of the vast majority of MLS.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 8:26 pm to winner
Yeah, 8.6 over 4 years would be much more reasonable.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 9:15 pm to wm72
The whole thing is a little odd. Not just because of the money, but because of the player involved. This is a first for MLS. Most, if not all, of these huge contracts the league has signed on for in the past have been for players who were either European stars nearing the end, or to bring an American player home. No one in America knows who the hell Sebastian Giovinco is.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 11:28 pm to mynamebowl
That's definitely what makes it so weird. 7 mill for Dempsey/Bradley might've still made us squint, but from a marketing perspective you might be able to say it's worth it.
But even most avid soccer fans in the US have no idea who this guy is. I only just learned how to pronounce his name properly today (Tip: Gio in his name sounds like "joe" not "gee-o"
But even most avid soccer fans in the US have no idea who this guy is. I only just learned how to pronounce his name properly today (Tip: Gio in his name sounds like "joe" not "gee-o"
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