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Difference between USM corner kick goal and a successful hail mary in football?
Posted on 7/7/15 at 9:33 pm
Posted on 7/7/15 at 9:33 pm
Can the soccer tacticians fill me in?
ETA: in the Gold Cup game against Honduras
ETA: in the Gold Cup game against Honduras
This post was edited on 7/7/15 at 9:38 pm
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Posted on 7/7/15 at 9:35 pm to Chair
What goal?
Posted on 7/7/15 at 9:37 pm to Chair
A more apt illustration is a draw play going for 50 yds and a td.
That wasn't a miracle game winner.
It was being at the right place at the right time and ending up with a good result.
That wasn't a miracle game winner.
It was being at the right place at the right time and ending up with a good result.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 9:39 pm to CherryGarciaMan
I'd say that's a good analogy.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 9:43 pm to CherryGarciaMan
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That wasn't a miracle game winner.
I wouldn't really call any play a "miracle." And just because it was a game winner, doesn't really make it any different.
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It was being at the right place at the right time and ending up with a good result.
Is this not what both plays are?
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A more apt illustration is a draw play going for 50 yds and a td.
But there's strategy involved with that:
1) Catching the other team off guard because they don't anticipate it coming.
2) You know the design of the play, and if you execute it properly, you increase your chances of being successful.
You can't really say those two can be applied to that corner kick goal sequence. Yea, there was strategy bringing two guys out of the box, but in the end, it was just lucky bounces. The announcers admitted as much.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 9:46 pm to Chair
You make your own luck there with positioning though.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 9:49 pm to BleedPurpleGold
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You make your own luck there with positioning though.
Not really. You are basically saying the players knew where the ball was going to bounce, so they got into those positions.
On any given corner kick, you're going to have a ton of guys in a small congested area. Someone might get lucky and be in the right spot, sometimes not. Same with a hail mary. You just put a bunch of guys there, and get the ball there, and hope someone is in the right spot.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 10:04 pm to Chair
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Not really. You are basically saying the players knew where the ball was going to bounce, so they got into those positions.
They do. A crashing midfielder's aim is to be in the center of the box when the ball is rebounded out or cut back. In this case Demps was positioning himself for both instances.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 10:46 pm to Chair
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Can the soccer tacticians fill me in?
In football, you throw a hail mary at the end of the half or the game, usually when time is running out. That wasn't the case here. A set piece is more like a 50 yard field goal. You make some and you miss some.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 10:56 pm to Chair
Ah so you made this thread to make a point. Key difference is that corners are successful about 3-5% of the time and Hail Marys are likely much lower. The circumstances are also drastically different. So no, not that similar.
This post was edited on 7/7/15 at 10:57 pm
Posted on 7/7/15 at 11:10 pm to Chair
A Hail Mary is a desperation, last-gasp tactic. A fluky set piece is just a weird play. It's hard to draw a comparison to a play in football because football has organized plays every 6 seconds or so, so you have less room for chaos. Soccer has a lot of chaos due to its continuous play. The best comparison is likely having a pass be tipped at the line and completed to a different receiver than originally intended. Although, Dempsey was playing the percentages on his positioning, whereas the other tipped pass is almost entirely luck.
This post was edited on 7/7/15 at 11:12 pm
Posted on 7/8/15 at 7:29 am to DoreonthePlains
How about this for another analogy if you want to use more traditional American sport - guard drives the lane in basketball only to have his layup swatted. However the ball flies right to his open teammate who drains a 3. Some luck and some skill all in one
Posted on 7/8/15 at 9:59 am to etm512
There are comparisons in every sport much better than a Hail Mary.
How's it any different than a desperation shot clock shot in basketball hitting the rim and going right to a teammate for an easy layup? Or little dribbler off the end of the bat in baseball staying in play for a single? Or a bunker shot in golf holing out? Or literally half of hockey goals, where the entire strategy is to get people in front of the goal and hope for deflections? Or the best NFL equivalent which is probably a safety interception over the middle of the field after a big tip or deflection by the intended receiver or covering corner?
All those plays are fairly common occurrences in their sports, and all require no small amount of fortune. But they also all require a team or player to put themselves in a position to create the luck and/or the skill to take advantage and capitalize when it happens
How's it any different than a desperation shot clock shot in basketball hitting the rim and going right to a teammate for an easy layup? Or little dribbler off the end of the bat in baseball staying in play for a single? Or a bunker shot in golf holing out? Or literally half of hockey goals, where the entire strategy is to get people in front of the goal and hope for deflections? Or the best NFL equivalent which is probably a safety interception over the middle of the field after a big tip or deflection by the intended receiver or covering corner?
All those plays are fairly common occurrences in their sports, and all require no small amount of fortune. But they also all require a team or player to put themselves in a position to create the luck and/or the skill to take advantage and capitalize when it happens
This post was edited on 7/8/15 at 10:11 am
Posted on 7/8/15 at 11:40 am to tigerfan88
Another key difference is that in soccer, most of the time we are in the "red zone" we do not score at all. It is a game of a lot of failure while doing what is the best thing tactically. The US players on the corner were doing the right thing tactically, and this time it worked out for them.
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