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re: Youtube demonitizes Dave Rubin's channel

Posted on 9/11/17 at 9:13 am to
Posted by rocket31
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Posted on 9/11/17 at 9:13 am to
i know that this is just anecdotal, but most of the channels I follow on YouTube are having some or all of their videos demonetized, very few of which are of a political nature.

YouTube isn't censoring free speech, they are censoring content that isn't deemed advertiser safe.

for example, if you use the word "assault" in a video, youll make a lot less than money if you kept it out of the title.

Posted by SabiDojo
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Posted on 9/11/17 at 9:15 am to
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YouTube isn't censoring free speech, they are censoring content that isn't deemed advertiser safe.



Yeah, I don't know a lot of HOW it works (the monetization), but it does seem that what you're saying is the case.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 9/11/17 at 9:22 am to
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so youre against capitalism now? interesting

where did i say that?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 9/11/17 at 9:23 am to
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YouTube isn't censoring free speech, they are censoring content that isn't deemed advertiser safe.

and that argument works for a Milo

it doesn't work for Dave Rubin
Posted by rocket31
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Posted on 9/11/17 at 9:25 am to
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it doesn't work for Dave Rubin


wrong

90% of videos are about politics, that is why they are being demonetized
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
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Posted on 9/11/17 at 9:30 am to
The idea that they should only "monetize" content that generally seeks to appeal to everybody, seems rather short-sighted from a purely business perspective.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 9/11/17 at 9:31 am to
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90% of videos are about politics, that is why they are being demonetized


What's the issue?
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 9/11/17 at 9:32 am to
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wrong

90% of videos are about politics, that is why they are being demonetized

And 90% of his politics are about letting people be free to do what they wish. It isn't controversial stuff. He's promoting the very thing this country was founded on. Only in 2017 would that be considered "offensive".
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 9/11/17 at 9:33 am to
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And 90% of his politics are about letting people be free to do what they wish. It isn't controversial stuff. He's promoting the very thing this country was founded on. Only in 2017 would that be considered "offensive".


Yep. There are a shite load of people who make a living off of Youtube who are faaar more controversial than Rubin.
Posted by SabiDojo
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Posted on 9/11/17 at 9:34 am to
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The idea that they should only "monetize" content that generally seeks to appeal to everybody, seems rather short-sighted from a purely business perspective.



It does seem to oversimplify. Microcosms within cultures/groups mean different interests/ideas which means different needs in the market.

For example, an online gun broker would have more success on a hunting channel on YouTube than on the EverdayFeminism channel.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 9/11/17 at 9:35 am to
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Can you explain to me how YouTube monetization and demonetization works? Or do you have a link?

some of it is proprietary so it's not fully known, but after the WSJ hit piece on pewdiepie, Youtube has overreacted and created mechanisms to remove ads on "hate speech". what this has done is allow a disproportionate amount of flags for "hate speech" for non-progressives (within the field of political discussion).

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In response, Schindler has promised a three-tier overhaul of Google’s advertising policies, both on YouTube and on the company’s wider ad products.

First, Google itself is going to tighten its policies around what can live on its platforms, and what subset of that content can support advertising on it. “Starting today, we’re taking a tougher stance on hateful, offensive and derogatory content,” Schindler says. The company is also ensuring that fake creators – those who impersonate other channels – can’t host advertising. Schindler also says YouTube is “taking a hard look” at existing community guidelines to see if any content is allowed on the platform that shouldn’t be, though no action is promised.

Second, the company is promising better controls for advertisers to choose where their money goes, and to prevent accidentally spending it on hateful content. The default options for advertisers will be tightened, to exclude “potentially objectionable” content from the off. Advertisers themselves will be given account-level tools to exclude specific sites and channels from all of their campaigns at once, as well as more fine-tuned controls for when advertisers need specific say over where their ads appear.

Third, Schindler writes that advertisers and agencies will be offered “more transparency and visibility on where their ads are running”. That should help advertisers avoid awkward situations like those that prompted the boycott in the first place, where advertisers only discovered their ads were showing up on extremist content after a Times report. The Google executive also promises to hire “significant numbers of people”, as well as bring in new AI-powered tools, to increase the company’s capacity to review questionable content for advertising.


the first category is how they're targeting non-progressive political speech

how are they doing this?

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So the company relies on tricks which do scale: algorithmically classifying videos, by scanning the titles and video content itself; relying on users to flag problematic uploads; and, in large part, by trusting creators themselves to correctly label their work. That trust is backed up by force, though, with YouTube reserving the right to pull channels entirely from the site if creators consistently miscategorise their work.


Jordan Peterson recently had his ENTIRE Google account deleted

i believe Gad Saad had a video reviewed before it was even published
This post was edited on 9/11/17 at 9:38 am
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 9/11/17 at 9:37 am to
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It does seem to oversimplify. Microcosms within cultures/groups mean different interests/ideas which means different needs in the market.

For example, an online gun broker would have more success on a hunting channel on YouTube than on the EverdayFeminism channel.


The fact that they are proactively and unilaterally deciding that no advertisers would find the content appealing is a lame arse cop out.
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 9/11/17 at 9:37 am to
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The idea that they should only "monetize" content that generally seeks to appeal to everybody, seems rather short-sighted from a purely business perspective.


well, its partly because its easier to just demonetized it all rather than to pick and choose which advertisers are going to deem "okay"

itd be silly from a business perspective to not make more money off of Rubin, but that is what they are choosing to do


Posted by DelU249
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Posted on 9/11/17 at 9:38 am to
I think rubin gives a great interview and is incredibly non controversial.

it's amazing that a Bernie bro gets labeled a right winger simply for not being triggered by different opinions and having a pleasant disposition.

This post was edited on 9/11/17 at 9:48 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 9/11/17 at 9:40 am to
let's also remember Google has banned Gab from its app store

buth muh "hate speech"
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 9/11/17 at 9:41 am to
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Jordan Peterson recently had his ENTIRE Google account deleted


I just saw that on the PJW vid you posted. Peterson can't even use fricking gmail because of his anti-authoritarian views
This post was edited on 9/11/17 at 9:44 am
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 9/11/17 at 9:41 am to
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well, its partly because its easier to just demonetized it all


So, all political videos should be demonetized, correct?
Posted by Centinel
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Posted on 9/11/17 at 9:42 am to
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itd be silly from a business perspective to not make more money off of Rubin, but that is what they are choosing to do




They're choosing to do this because of the political ideologies held by a large portion of the company and to placate the screeching SJWs.
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 9/11/17 at 9:44 am to
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They're choosing to do this because of the political ideologies held by a large portion of the company and to placate the screeching SJWs.



theyre choosing to make less money while keeping his videos on their platform

advertisers are pulling the strings here, not youtube.

but even if was a big conspiracy theory and youtube is to blame, rubin can go elsewhere with his content
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 9/11/17 at 9:46 am to
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They're choosing to do this because of the political ideologies held by a large portion of the company and to placate the screeching SJWs.


And it's a horribly short-sighted slippery slope. What are they going to do when right wing groups start breathing down the necks of advertisers about content they don't like?

I just don't see how you can present yourself for years as a forum generally open to all ideas and then suddenly think you can pick and choose what ideas you find "offensive" and think it will stop there and that's it.
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