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re: WTF--House votes 419-3 on new Russia sanctions bill???

Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:12 pm to
Posted by funnystuff
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:12 pm to
fair enough


I was under the impression these sanctions were specifically due to election interference, so I'll eat crow on the reply. Apologies
This post was edited on 7/25/17 at 11:16 pm
Posted by Breesus
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Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:14 pm to
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an incident that has countless potential causations


Name them. What are the causations for that incident that do not involve any health problems.

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the position to deny the consensus and the words of people that actually participated in the things you say didn't occur. 


What did I say didn't occur?

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go ahead and tell me how much our founders would of appreciated it if Britain's crown attempted to steal private documents from John Adams or Jefferson with a strategy to disseminate it in a calculating way to undermine our Democratic election and government to their benefit.


If John Adams or Jefferson were running a child sex ring or rigging primary elections and debates and Britain uncovered those scandals and made the public I bet the founding fathers would have a problem with what Adams and Jefferson were doing rather than completely excuse the behavior.
Posted by skrayper
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Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:19 pm to
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crescentcity


This is just a wild guess, but they probably know a LOT more than you do regarding what Russia has been up to.
Posted by bonhoeffer45
Member since Jul 2016
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Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:20 pm to
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f John Adams or Jefferson were running a child sex ring or rigging primary elections and debates and Britain uncovered those scandals and made the public I bet the founding fathers would have a problem with what Adams and Jefferson were doing rather than completely excuse the behavior.




I honestly just can't anymore. I can't. lol. Questions Russia circulating fake news even when given an interview from the horses mouth, but has no skepticism toward pizza-gate.

Next thing you are going to tell me is that of course George Washington and Madison would of approved of John Adams enthusiastically meeting with a representative of the British Crown because they promised to have incriminating evidence on Thomas Jefferson.

You Trumpkins wrap yourself in making America great, but you seem so far gone from understanding what actually makes America great that I don't know if there is any saving you.



This post was edited on 7/25/17 at 11:24 pm
Posted by IceTiger
Really hot place
Member since Oct 2007
26584 posts
Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:27 pm to
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American intelligence agencies


Ehh...I wouldn't believe very much they say...propaganda is one of their roles...

It's why Obama didn't act on it, it wasn't true.
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
42867 posts
Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:30 pm to
dude
Russia invaded a sovereign nation and took back land they used to "own".,

the sanctions are not related to USA election

Ukrainian land,. The Crimea, used to be Russia and its 2/3rds Russians live there
Posted by Breesus
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Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:35 pm to
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no skepticism toward pizza-gate.


I have plenty of skepticism.

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George Washington and Madison would of approved of John Adams enthusiastically meeting with a representative of the British Crown because they promised to have incriminating evidence on Thomas Jefferson. 


I can't even begin to tell you how ridiculous this comparison is. For someone attempting to lecture me about being an idiot, your comparison here is terribly idiotic.

Posted by bonhoeffer45
Member since Jul 2016
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Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:41 pm to
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can't even begin to tell you how ridiculous this comparison is. For someone attempting to lecture me about being an idiot, your comparison here is terribly idiotic.



You left out the part where you explained why?

Please, proceed with telling me how it is in the spirit of our country to invite hostile foreign powers to provide incriminating evidence on political opponents?

Or to excuse a hostile foreign power like the British crown to commit criminal acts in an attempt to undermine our democratic process? How George Washington would be more then ok with it as long as it exposed Thomas Jefferson fricking his slaves?
This post was edited on 7/25/17 at 11:44 pm
Posted by Breesus
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Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:46 pm to
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You left out the part where you explained why?



You didn't answer any of my questions. Why should I answer yours? Hypocrit.

Care to list some of the "countless possibilities" that explain Hillary fainting and being thrown headfirst into a van with no examination and no called paramedics or concern that have absolutely nothing to do with her health?

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invite hostile foreign powers to provide incriminating evidence on political opponents? 



Are you upset at all about the actual incriminating evidence?

How is it in the spirit of our country to ensure that politicians we elect and the bodies which choose those politicians aren't embroiled in backroom scandals?

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How George Washington would be more then ok with it as long as it exposed Thomas Jefferson fricking his slaves?


fricking slaves wasn't a crime.
This post was edited on 7/25/17 at 11:47 pm
Posted by bonhoeffer45
Member since Jul 2016
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Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:47 pm to
Poor deflection, 2/10, SAD! Low Stamina.
Posted by Breesus
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Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:50 pm to
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Poor deflection, 2/10, SAD!


I didn't deflect. I answered everything you asked.

You're the one dodging and deflecting. But I wouldn't expect anything less. You seem to be unable to have an actual conversation.
This post was edited on 7/25/17 at 11:51 pm
Posted by bonhoeffer45
Member since Jul 2016
4367 posts
Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:51 pm to
Please, proceed with telling me how it is in the spirit of our country to invite hostile foreign powers to provide incriminating evidence on political opponents?

Or to excuse a hostile foreign power like the British crown to commit criminal acts in an attempt to undermine our democratic process?

This post was edited on 7/25/17 at 11:52 pm
Posted by Breesus
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Posted on 7/26/17 at 12:00 am to
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Please, proceed with telling me how it is in the spirit of our country to invite hostile foreign powers to provide incriminating evidence on political opponents?


If someone running for office is a criminal, we should want to know that. If actual incriminating evidence is put forward we should investigate it. You disagree?

You're saying you'd rather someone remain a criminal in the shadows than be brought to light if the person who brings that criminal activity to light is foreign?

Would you care to backup any of your claims or no? Want to list some of those countless reasons for Hillary's incident?
This post was edited on 7/26/17 at 12:02 am
Posted by bonhoeffer45
Member since Jul 2016
4367 posts
Posted on 7/26/17 at 12:09 am to
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If someone running for office is a criminal, we should want to know that. If actual incriminating evidence is put forward we should investigate it. You disagree?

You're saying you'd rather someone remain a criminal in the shadows than be brought to light if the person who brings that criminal activity to light is foreign?

Would you care to backup any of your claims or no? Want to list some of those countless reasons for Hillary's incident?




Im asking you to rectify your position of acceptance for criminal behavior on the part of a foreign government to obtain incriminating evidence if the situation was not one where you are deeply invested in seeing the beneficiary win.

All you can manage to do is deflect. Or answer questions with questions.

My position would be the same if Trump Jr or Chelsea Clinton were in the situation in question. Whether it was incriminating Nixon or Jefferson. You seem incapable of such consistency.

I more then get why, but it is amusing to see you continue with these contortionist acts to excuse your politics above country schtick.

I'm off though. My amusement has a shelf life and this is getting boring. I look forward to future posts telling me how true Pizza-gate and Seth Rich are.
This post was edited on 7/26/17 at 12:11 am
Posted by Breesus
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Posted on 7/26/17 at 6:05 am to
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if the situation was not one where you are deeply invested in seeing the beneficiary win.

All you can manage to do is deflect.


Where in my answer did I say anything about being deeply invested in seeing the beneficiary win. Quote it.

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All you can manage to do is deflect. Or answer questions with questions. 


You're the only one doing that.

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look forward to future posts telling me how true Pizza-gate and Seth Rich are. 


I didn't say either of these things.
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 7/26/17 at 6:24 am to
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Lack of discipline

It's lack of intelligence (no pun)
Posted by Ebbandflow
Member since Aug 2010
13457 posts
Posted on 7/26/17 at 11:56 am to
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Ummm... they've been doing that for a century now. In the U.S. Is that sanctionable?

We have done the same thing in nearly every country on the globe, including currently doing it in Russia.

Hell, the last admin got busted funneling money to help influence an Israeli election.


Well it wasnt right when we did it either. Are you saying because the US did something shitty to someone else that its cool if done to us? Weird reasoning
This post was edited on 7/26/17 at 12:01 pm
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
80286 posts
Posted on 7/26/17 at 11:58 am to
You're not very good at this American exceptionalism thing
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