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WOTR - Unspoken Legacy: The Perils of Letting Obama Off the Hook...

Posted on 2/24/17 at 7:34 am
Posted by Wolfhound45
Hanging with Chicken in Lurkistan
Member since Nov 2009
120000 posts
Posted on 2/24/17 at 7:34 am
...for Executive Overreach
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Many Americans were fond of Barack Obama. He left office with some of the highest approval ratings of his entire term. On foreign policy, as in most matters, he seemed reflective, deliberate, and rational. An effective communicator, he maintained composure and presidential poise, no matter the topic. In rare moments of frustration, Obama channeled “disappointed sitcom dad” rather than “blustering bully.” Love him or hate him, Obama was a gentleman. And that’s the problem. Mainstream progressives – who cried foul at George W. Bush’s every move – looked the other way as Obama expanded unfettered presidential power in foreign affairs. Why? Because they trusted him – his judgment, character, and motives. Maybe that trust was warranted. Here’s the catch: the 22nd amendment. No president may serve for more than eight years, no matter how beloved (by some). Furthermore, each chief executive creates important precedents for his successor. For this reason, many liberals – and perhaps the former president himself – may come to lament Obama’s principal foreign policy legacy: the unbridled expansion of executive power in matters of (endless) war.

Presidential primacy is nothing new, of course. Executive power has gradually expanded for centuries, especially since World War II. The Obama administration eschewed imprudent, large-scale, conventional invasions, but his legacy is also defined by a sustained campaign of extrajudicial killings of terrorists, expanding the range and geographic scope of military operations, and cracking down on media leaks and whistleblowers. In each sphere, Obama’s hawkish behavior surpassed even that of George W. Bush. This is one reason why Republican criticism of Obama’s supposedly “weak” and “feckless” foreign policy was so confusing. Sure, it’s fair to debate the wisdom of the Iran nuclear deal, his handling of the Syrian civil war, and his near-total withdrawal from Iraq. These are thorny issues worthy of complex analysis. But to label Obama a “dove” is just empirically false.

Bush and his advisors – think Cheney, Wolfowitz, and company – thought big: massive invasions, democracy promotion, remaking the Middle East, etc. Not so for “no-drama Obama.” He preferred more precise, discreet responses to regional terrorism. Bush may have started the covert drone strikes in Yemen, Somalia, and Pakistan, but Obama ordered ten times as many attacks. Look, many (maybe a majority) of the victims were dangerous, dedicated terrorists. However, militants’ family members and other innocent bystanders also perished. One might plausibly ask why the method of killing matters. War is war and it is hell, after all. Nonetheless, there is something unique, unsettling, and even “Orwellian” about a president maintaining “kill lists” and holding “Terror Tuesday” targeting meetings. Remember, the United States is not at war with Pakistan, Somalia, Libya, or Yemen. After 15 years of strife, it seems Americans became numb to just how unprecedented this is – violating airspace to kill foreign nationals in sovereign nations on a weekly basis.
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Posted by GFaceKillah
Welcome to the Third World
Member since Nov 2005
5935 posts
Posted on 2/24/17 at 7:39 am to
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However, militants’ family members and other innocent bystanders also perished. 


Oh, now we care about the families of terrorists?

Posted by Navytiger74
Member since Oct 2009
50458 posts
Posted on 2/24/17 at 7:45 am to
Some good insights in that article. I'm a proponent of a strong and assertive use of executive authority in international affairs, but I think most would agree its metastasis since WWII is concerning. But I honestly had/have no moral/legal objections to our targeted kinetic strike program. My main concern is that it's not likely to prove incredibly effective in the long run. And my problem with Obama's foreign policy in general was not that it was too weak or too muscular. It was just on the whole incoherent and ineffective.
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
42644 posts
Posted on 2/24/17 at 8:13 am to
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Remember, the United States is not at war with Pakistan, Somalia, Libya, or Yemen. After 15 years of strife, it seems Americans became numb to just how unprecedented this is – violating airspace to kill foreign nationals in sovereign nations on a weekly basis.

Unless a country is robust in its efforts to ferret out those who plan attacks on us or our existential interests - or at least cooperates with us on our efforts to curtail it -then I have no problem going alone into their sovereign areas to do the job for them. I would prefer they take the lead in eradicating such vermin.

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However, militants’ family members and other innocent bystanders also perished.

I have no problem with this as long as it is not wanton. As long as the terrorists hide themselves amongst their family as human shields, then when necessity demands it, the family becomes collateral damage. Sad, but acceptable.

I will repeat what I said when Bill Clinton bombed the terrorist camps the day after his perjury was exposed = "it is never a bad time to attack terrorism." It did turn out that those attacks were ineffectual, but at the time it seemed appropriate - even though it was evident he was using it to deflect from his own problems.

As far as national security goes, I am not averse to presidential executive power. When national security is at stake, there is not time for long deliberation to ascertain the absolute perfect strategy. You need good men in place whose instincts you trust. And the background to have anticipated potential attacks and have designed applicable plans ready for immediate execution. And national security must be foremost in determining the correct action - with absolutely no consideration of the effects on domestic social agenda.

I am absolutely against any executive action to promote a social agenda. When you are trying to change a long traditional culture, it should be a slow evolutionary deliberative process and never a response to some mob demand on the spur of the moment - or seizure of some 'opportunity' to bypass the evolutionary nature of social change.

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he maintained composure and presidential poise, no matter the topic. In rare moments of frustration, Obama channeled “disappointed sitcom dad” rather than “blustering bully.” Love him or hate him, Obama was a gentleman. And that’s the problem.

To cast Obama's foreign policy as anything but feckless, ineffective, and dangerous to long term security is just wrong.
Posted by themunch
Earth. maybe
Member since Jan 2007
64682 posts
Posted on 2/24/17 at 8:52 am to
So the Obama administration had no influence on the Arab Spring, the failings in Libya, Syria, Iraq, or the over running of Europe by middle eastern nations or the continued conflict in Afghanistan? Because we are not warring?

Give a second medal.
This post was edited on 2/24/17 at 8:54 am
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